Political Frailty

[alt obits guy 3,371]

Marion Boyd, a former Attorney General of Ontario and a provincial politician from London, Ontario, has died. She was 76. Boyd served at Queen's park (the Ontario Legislature) from 1990 to 1999. She was the first woman in the province ever to be named as Attorney General.

 

https://blackburnnews.com/london/london-news/2022/10/14/former-london-mpp-ontario-attorney-general-marion-boyd-dies-76/

[drol 11,948]

On 09/06/2022 at 21:23, arghton said:

Well here's a list of nonagenarian/centenarian South American politicians. Born 1932 or before. Do not quote the whole post.

 

 

Milton Bezerra Cabral (1921) Governor of the State of Paraiba in the 80s.

 

Milton Bezerra Cabral dead at 101.

[Summer in Transylvania 2,187]

Malian Prime Minister 1992-1993 Younoussi Touré dead at 80.

 

Obit in French. 

[drol 11,948]

Benjamin Civiletti, US attorney general mentioned here and there, dead at 87.

[Commtech Sio Bibble 2,045]

13 minutes ago, drol said:

Benjamin Civiletti, US attorney general mentioned here and there, dead at 87.

That leaves 5 surviving members of Carter's cabinet plus the man himself.

 

W. Michael Blumenthal (96)

Ray Marshall (94)

Joseph A. Califano Jr. (91)

Neil Goldschmidt (82)

Charles Duncan Jr. (96)

[arghton 6,743]

On 04/05/2022 at 21:17, drol said:

Wow, Belarusian old guard wiped away in five months. Malofeyev, Sokolov and now Sushkevich.

 

Slyunkov may really go for a check-up.

There's actually still Aleksandr Sloboda (Russian wiki) left. Never got into as high positions as Malofeyev, Sokolov, Sushkevich and Slyunkov, but older than all them and has outlived all of them. Ancient politician who has held positions since 1944 and his political career seemingly peaked during the Era of Stagnation when he was the Deputy Chairman of the "People's Control Committee" of the BSSR from 1970 to 1985. Since 1985 he has been the Chairman of the Minsk Regional Council of Veterans. 

Celebrated his 102nd birthday in August:

[arrowsmith 445]

2 hours ago, Stuart Beck said:

That leaves 5 surviving members of Carter's cabinet plus the man himself.

 

W. Michael Blumenthal (96)

Ray Marshall (94)

Joseph A. Califano Jr. (91)

Neil Goldschmidt (82)

Charles Duncan Jr. (96)

The question becomes will he outlive them all?

[Philip 121]

From what I've heard Blumenthal and Marshall are in good health for their age haven't heard much about Goldschmidt in a while

[Ulitzer95 12,637]

On 17/10/2022 at 18:53, Stuart Beck said:

That leaves 5 surviving members of Carter's cabinet plus the man himself.

 

W. Michael Blumenthal (96)

Ray Marshall (94)

Joseph A. Califano Jr. (91)

Neil Goldschmidt (82)

Charles Duncan Jr. (96)

Charles Duncan Jr., former U.S. Energy Secretary and Deputy Defense Secretary under Carter, died in Houston, Texas today according to his Wikipedia page.

Doesn't appear to be vandalism. The editor seems to have a close connection to the Duncan family judging from his past edits.

Incredible that DL gets intel on U.S. Cabinet Secretary deaths before the media does in 2022. No wonder journos read this forum...

Could still be nonsense ofc... let's see.

[MortalCaso 1,629]

If true, that makes 3 cabinet members dead in a little under 2 months. 

With so few remaining, that is actually remarkable.   

 

Kissinger will outlive them all, while Carter may have one or two more in him as well

[edm88 72]

Strange indeed, as I just was looking for a recent photo of him yesterday and had thought he looked okay for 95 earlier this year.

 

[Death Impends 7,977]

At this rate you half wonder if there are suspicious peanut shell trails at the houses of the dead ones

[arghton 6,743]

On the four left:

 

W. Michael Blumenthal is a long term smoker. He was known for his trademark Jamaican cigars. Well enough to comment on something this summer, but also 96.

Ray Marshall - no idea. Can't find anything recent.

Joseph A. Califano Jr. - Also no idea, as far as I know hasn't given any interviews this year but he was widowed in January and is 91. 

Neil Goldschmidt had a stroke ten years ago. Also suffers from a-fib and other heart problems

[MortalCaso 1,629]

The wiki page has now been reverted back, hoax or yet to be validated?

[Death Impends 7,977]

3 minutes ago, MortalCaso said:

The wiki page has now been reverted back, hoax or yet to be validated?

 

Probably the latter, Wiki rules require proper news sources to report a death before death dates can stick

[Ulitzer95 12,637]

3 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Charles Duncan Jr., former U.S. Energy Secretary and Deputy Defense Secretary under Carter, died in Houston, Texas today according to his Wikipedia page.

Doesn't appear to be vandalism. The editor seems to have a close connection to the Duncan family judging from his past edits.

Incredible that DL gets intel on U.S. Cabinet Secretary deaths before the media does in 2022. No wonder journos read this forum...

Could still be nonsense ofc... let's see.

NY Times obit as confirmation.

This means that Ray Marshall (b. 1928) and Henry Kissinger (b. 1923) are the last living U.S. Cabinet Secretaries to have served in WWII.

[Superstar 295]

Charles Duncan right after he got talked about on Deathlist. That is a freaky coincidence.

[Ulitzer95 12,637]

2 hours ago, arghton said:

On the four left:

 

W. Michael Blumenthal is a long term smoker. He was known for his trademark Jamaican cigars. Well enough to comment on something this summer, but also 96.

Ray Marshall - no idea. Can't find anything recent.

Joseph A. Califano Jr. - Also no idea, as far as I know hasn't given any interviews this year but he was widowed in January and is 91. 

Neil Goldschmidt had a stroke ten years ago. Also suffers from a-fib and other heart problems

Taken from FB. A picture of Ray Marshall circa November 2021 celebrating his 75th wedding anniversary with his wife. She died in January. There's another pic of him on a Zoom call around the same time period. He looks frail but "normal" for a man of 93 (now 94).

[Ulitzer95 12,637]

2 hours ago, Death Impends said:

At this rate you half wonder if there are suspicious peanut shell trails at the houses of the dead ones

Duncan's obit says he died from a fall...

I'm getting rather suspicious now...

[msc 18,477]

32 minutes ago, When The said:

Charles Duncan right after he got talked about on Deathlist. That is a freaky coincidence.

There's a long proud history of it on this forum, from "Fats Domino looks amazing" (dead within the week), random jokes about New Jack (dead hours later) to the great "Abe Vigoda doing a lot better" post by @Death Impends. Vigoda was announced dead ten minutes later.

[Lafaucheuse 4,051]

Didn’t you Forget Andrew Young (b. 1932) as a remaining member of Carter’s cabinet ?
 

[Ulitzer95 12,637]

11 minutes ago, Lafaucheuse said:

Didn’t you Forget Andrew Young (b. 1932) as a remaining member of Carter’s cabinet ?
 

Yes, and they also forgot Donald McHenry (wiki, b. 1936) and James T. McIntyre (wiki, b. 1940). There are seven still living, as the Office of Management and Budget Director and the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. were Cabinet positions within his administration.

Could be another 15+ years before the last surviving member of Carter's Cabinet dies.

[arghton 6,743]

14 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Yes, and they also forgot Donald McHenry (wiki, b. 1936) and James T. McIntyre (wiki, b. 1940). There are seven still living, as the Office of Management and Budget Director and the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. were Cabinet positions within his administration.

Could be another 15+ years before the last surviving member of Carter's Cabinet dies.

McHenry is still active. Andrew Young as well, and his 90th birthday articles don't seem to mention him being ill in any way. Has also made appearances since.

Not sure about McIntyre but as far as I know he's a working attorney. I'm betting the last one living being one of these three.

[arrowsmith 445]

1 hour ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Yes, and they also forgot Donald McHenry (wiki, b. 1936) and James T. McIntyre (wiki, b. 1940). There are seven still living, as the Office of Management and Budget Director and the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. were Cabinet positions within his administration.

Could be another 15+ years before the last surviving member of Carter's Cabinet dies.

As much as I hate disagreeing with you that is not entirely correct. The Ambassador to the UN, the head of the OMB, etc. are not and never were cabinet officials. They have been at various points, including now, cabinet level positions. This gives them certain legal abilities which other heads of executive departments lack but which the president for one reason or another may wish them to have - and the president gives this to them by fiat. However, to be a proper cabinet department it’s head must be in the line of presidential succession as defined by the 25th amendment and must be erected by congress.

Various departments have been created and made proper cabinet departments over time (energy, va, homeland security), some have been split or combined (health, education & welfare), some have been renamed (war became defense), and some have been demoted entirely (post office). 
This means that the individuals you mentioned, while an interesting category worthy of discussion, do not fit the parameters above. Carter only has four cabinet officials still living, but seven cabinet level officials. Perhaps this seems to be a distinction without a difference it may be, but it remains a distinction we make. 

[Ulitzer95 12,637]

16 minutes ago, arrowsmith said:

As much as I hate disagreeing with you that is not entirely correct. The Ambassador to the UN, the head of the OMB, etc. are not and never were cabinet officials. They have been at various points, including now, cabinet level positions. This gives them certain legal abilities which other heads of executive departments lack but which the president for one reason or another may wish them to have - and the president gives this to them by fiat. However, to be a proper cabinet department it’s head must be in the line of presidential succession as defined by the 25th amendment and must be erected by congress.

Various departments have been created and made proper cabinet departments over time (energy, va, homeland security), some have been split or combined (health, education & welfare), some have been renamed (war became defense), and some have been demoted entirely (post office). 
This means that the individuals you mentioned, while an interesting category worthy of discussion, do not fit the parameters above. Carter only has four cabinet officials still living, but seven cabinet level officials. Perhaps this seems to be a distinction without a difference it may be, but it remains a distinction we make. 

On the Wiki page for the Carter administration, these positions are listed under "Carter cabinet". Same goes for the Reagan one. On the Reagan page there are 20 positions listed (incl. Office of Management and Budget Director and the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.) and next to it there's a photo captioned "the cabinet of President Reagan in 1981". There are exactly 20 faces in that photo.

Given how well looked after these type of Wiki pages are, I'm sure this issue will have been discussed at length in the past on there before between editors. I think it's safe to say they're Cabinet jobs, even if the ins and outs are somewhat different. In the UK we have the same sort of thing. We have "ministers without portfolio" who attend Cabinet, but are not "Cabinet members", and yet whenever the photos are taken or the cabinet list is drawn up, they're included in it.

EDIT: News article here about Trump removing U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. role from the Cabinet. It was restored under Biden. 

White House website lists them as Cabinet positions.