Political Frailty

[arrowsmith 444]

21 minutes ago, Ulitzer95 said:

On the Wiki page for the Carter administration, these positions are listed under "Carter cabinet". Same goes for the Reagan one. On the Reagan page there are 20 positions listed (incl. Office of Management and Budget Director and the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.) and next to it there's a photo captioned "the cabinet of President Reagan in 1981". There are exactly 20 faces in that photo.

Given how well looked after these type of Wiki pages are, I'm sure this issue will have been discussed at length in the past on there before between editors. I think it's safe to say they're Cabinet jobs, even if the ins and outs are somewhat different. In the UK we have the same sort of thing. We have "ministers without portfolio" who attend Cabinet, but are not "Cabinet members", and yet whenever the photos are taken or the cabinet list is drawn up, they're included in it.

EDIT: News article here about Trump removing U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. role from the Cabinet. It was restored under Biden. 

White House website lists them as Cabinet positions.

Both of the websites you mentioned actually prove my point. The news article is clear that the UN Ambassador has been cabinet level at the behest of the president at various points. The White House website lists all of those positions last in order of presidential succession because they aren’t in succession. A better thing to look at would be the process by which the Department of Homeland Security was erected and a cabinet position created (in presidential succession) not a cabinet level position which is obviously more impermanent.  
 

Furthermore, the White House website lists the Chief of Staff (!) as a cabinet position, he does not run an executive department and is not confirmed by the senate. Cabinet level in terms of privilege, sure, actual member of a cabinet, no. 

[Summer in Transylvania 2,173]

7 hours ago, msc said:

There's a long proud history of it on this forum, from "Fats Domino looks amazing" (dead within the week), random jokes about New Jack (dead hours later) to the great "Abe Vigoda doing a lot better" post by @Death Impends. Vigoda was announced dead ten minutes later.

And Xu Yuanchong in June last year. Reported dead two hours after drol had commented on how "unstoppable" Xu was, following a documentary about him being released. 

[drol 11,922]

1 minute ago, Summer in Transylvania said:

And Xu Yuanchong in June last year. Reported dead two hours after drol had commented on how "unstoppable" Xu was, following a documentary about him being released. 

Ehm...I kinda did it on purpose.

[drol 11,922]

On 18/07/2022 at 12:54, arghton said:

Indian Presidential Election today, great form spotting opportunity...

 

Former Prime Minister of India Manmohan Singh makes rare appearance, wheeled to cast his vote:

 

Mulayam Singh Yadav also voted:

 

Pradipta Kumar Naik, Odisha opposition leader, also in a wheelchair and looked very frail, apparently had an oxygen cylinder with him. Couldn't find a better picture:

New video of Manmohan voting. Looks like a wax statue but does not need a wheelchair now.

[gcreptile 10,964]

Former governor of South Dakota, Harvey Wollman, dead at 87:

https://www.newscenter1.tv/former-governor-of-south-dakota-harvey-wollman-has-died/

 

It was just five months in the late 70s.

[drol 11,922]

May Blood, Baroness Blood dead at 84.

[Tower1 93]

1 hour ago, drol said:

May Blood, Baroness Blood dead at 84.

Coolest name so far.

[alt obits guy 3,371]

Cynthia Lai, a Toronto city councillor running as a candidate in this Monday's Ontario municipal elections, has died. She was 68. A statement from her campaign didn't list a cause of death, but she had been battling gallbladder cancer. Lai was first elected in 2018.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/scarborough-councillor-cynthia-lai-dies-1.6625758

[adrian0719 220]

Hu Jintao escorted out of CCP Party Congress. Lots of speculation. 

[arghton 6,696]

31 minutes ago, adrian0719 said:

Hu Jintao escorted out of CCP Party Congress. Lots of speculation. 

He was escorted in and looked very confused during the opening of the Party Congress. Rumored to have parkinson's for years, some also claim he's got a heart monitor, but I wonder if the Party/Xi will give some kind of explanation 

[drol 11,922]

He moved like he had dementia...

[Ulitzer95 12,576]

On 10/01/2020 at 12:28, Ulitzer95 said:

Agreed that a lot of them have been dropping off recently.

Thought I'd take this opportunity to look at how many WWII veterans from the three strands of government in the U.S. are still with us.

There are still 10 living formers members of the House of Representatives who served:

b. 1919: Lester L. Wolff
b. 1920: Neal Edward Smith
b. 1921: Mike McCormack
b. 1923: Bob Dole, Al Quie
b. 1924: Frank Joseph Guarini, Weston E. Vivian
b. 1925: Fletcher Thompson, G. William Whitehurst, Lucien Nedzi
b. 1926: J. Roy Rowland, Elwood Hillis, Earl Hutto, Mark Andrews, Robert J. Lagomarsino
b. 1927: Benjamin B. Blackburn, Arthur Ravenel Jr., Austin Murphy, Bud Brown, Edwin Edwards, Jim Weaver, James W. Symington

There are just 2 living Senators who served (they are also the top 2 oldest living):
b. 1923: James Buckley, Bob Dole (also listed above)
b. 1925: Daniel Evans
b. 1926: Mark Andrews (also listed above)
b. 1927: John Warner

There are 8 living Governors who served:
b. 1921: John Malcolm Patterson
b. 1922: Wayne Mixson
b. 1923: William Winter, Al Quie (also listed above), Linwood Holton
b. 1924: Dale E. Wolf, Jimmy Carter
b. 1925: Ted Schwinden, Daniel Evans (also listed above)
b. 1926: George Ariyoshi
b. 1927: Phil Batt, George Nigh, Winfield Dunn, Edwin Edwards (also listed above)

Jimmy Carter (also listed above) is of course the only living President who served. There are no living Vice Presidents who served.

2 living members of the Cabinet who served:

Johnson administration: Alan Stephenson Boyd (b. 1922), Ramsey Clark (b. 1927) NONE!
Nixon administration: Henry Kissinger (b. 1923), George Shultz (b. 1920)
Ford administration: Henry Kissinger (b. 1923, also listed above)
Carter administration: Charles Duncan (b. 1926), Ray Marshall (b. 1928)
Reagan administration: George Shultz (b. 1920, also listed above) NONE!

No living justices of the Supreme Court who served following the death of John Paul Stevens (1920–2019).

As far as I know, these are complete. I will do the UK (Commons and Lords) when I get time, but that will probably involve more research.

Fletcher Thompson died in September, aged 97.

 

Obit.

[chel 376]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:24 AM, arghton said:

Bashkir ASSR: Igor Gorbunov (1941-) First Secretary 1990-1991

 

On 23 September in Igor Gorbunov, former first secretary of the Bashkir republican committee of the CPSU, died in Ufa

 

https://www.bashinform.ru/news/social/2022-09-23/v-ufe-skonchalsya-byvshiy-pervyy-sekretar-bashkirskogo-respublikanskogo-komiteta-kpss-igor-gorbunov-2963121

[chel 376]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:24 AM, arghton said:

Komi ASSR: Aleksey Batmanov (1939-) First Secretary 1990-1991

 

The only news item of 20.10.2021 reports:

"Alexei Batmanov's funeral service will take place tomorrow at the Svyato-Kazansky Church in Syktyvkar.

He was born in the capital of the republic in 1939. He graduated from the Ufa Oil Institute and the Correspondence Higher Party School under the CPSU Central Committee."

 

https://www.xn--80af5aj3e.xn--p1ai/video/tag/%D0%B3%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5+%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8/367275/

 

Yurgan is a regional television channel broadcasting in the Komi Republic.

 

[chel 376]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:24 AM, arghton said:

Chimit-Dorzhu Ondar (1932-) Chairman of the Supreme Soviet 1984-1991

 

Order of Buyan-Badyrgy I degree awarded to Chimit-Dorzhu Ondar, a prominent statesman of Tuva

28.04.2022

 

https://rtyva.ru/press_center/news/jubilee/47426/

 

https://youtu.be/UyZLWyahUTc

[chel 376]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:24 AM, arghton said:

Oleg Teziev (1948-) First Prime Minister 1991-1993. Unknown if alive, no English wikipedia page.

 

Interview - July 15, 2022

 

https://www.ekhokavkaza.com/a/31944556.html

[chel 376]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:24 AM, arghton said:

Nizoramo Zaripova (1923-) Leader as Chairman of the Supreme Soviet 1984. 

 

News from 07-03-2022

The Minister of Education and Science went to congratulate industry veteran Nizoramo Zaripova, congratulated her on Mother's Day on his own behalf and on behalf of industry workers and presented her with symbolic gifts.

 

November 6 will be 100 years old...

 

https://maorif.tj/ahborot/tabriki-sobiadoroni-soai-maorif-va-ilm-bahshida-ba-rzi-modar

[chel 376]

On 9/22/2021 at 1:24 AM, arghton said:

Nagorno-Karabakh/Artsakh (10th of December 1991):

Living from before independence:

Valery Khintba (1940-) First Secretary 1975-1978

Vladimir Khishba (1936-) First Secretary 1989-1991

 

Edit needed: Abkhazia!

http://www.knowbysight.info/1_GRUZ/04059.asp

 

Valery Khintba (1940-) First Secretary 1975-1978

Public and political figure, doctor of law, professor Taras Shamba would have turned 84 today. What a man and friend he was and what his contribution to the national liberation struggle of Abkhazia was, told the politician Valeri Khintba (29.07.2022)

https://sputnik-abkhazia.ru/20220729/khintba-o-tarase-shamba-geroy-ne-tolko-dlya-abkhazov-no-i-dlya-vsekh-kavkazskikh-narodov---1040589626.html

He may still be alive. Matches Shamba in age (2 years younger), maternal relative and same field of work (law).

 

Vladimir Khishba

15.07.1936 - 29.12.2008

http://az-libr.ru/Persons/000/Src/0004/f9fa862e.shtml

https://youtu.be/CUPGeN9s1tY

[drol 11,922]

Ancient Chinese politician and hydrologist Qian Zhengying dead at 99.

[arghton 6,696]

Carlos Melancia, Portuguese colonial Governor of Macau 1987-1991 dead at 95.

 

Macau was transferred from Portugal to China in 1999, marking the end of nearly 600 years of the European Colonial Era. Two Portuguese Governors of Macau are still alive, José Eduardo Martinho Garcia Leandro (1974-1979) and the last Governor Vasco Joaquim Rocha Vieira (1991-1999) excluding Francisco Murteira Nabo who was the acting Governor for around a day between Melancia and Vieira.

[ObakeFilter 893]

Former Defense Secretary Ash Carter, 68, dies as a result of heart attack last night, according to a statement from his family

[YoungWillz 21,026]

Never mind, a less detailed post above.

 

[Ulitzer95 12,576]

Bit of a shock this one.

Ash Carter (wiki), U.S. Secretary of Defense (2015–2017) under Obama, reportedly dead at 68:
 

Edit: Ninja'd by @YoungWillz

2nd edit: CNN obit as confirmation.

[YoungWillz 21,026]

1 minute ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Bit of a shock this one.

Ash Carter (wiki), U.S. Secretary of Defense (2015–2017) under Obama, reportedly dead at 68:
 

Edit: Ninja'd by @YoungWillz

Nope, I was already ninja'd almost instantly the moment I posted. 

[The Old Crem 3,582]

He died from a sudden Cardiac Event.