Political Frailty

[msc 18,390]

18 minutes ago, drol said:

José Sarney suffered stroke.

 

Discharged .

 

There's something deeply illogical with these immortal guys.

 

Drol's Immortals cannot die. Only the actors who play them!

 

 

 

Spoiler

It's a Simpsons gag before anyone takes it the wrong way!

 

[alt obits guy 3,361]

Oommen Chandy, an Indian politician and popular deadpool pick, has died. He was 79.

 

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/south/senior-congress-leader-and-former-kerala-chief-minister-oommen-chandy-passes-away-1238088.html

[drol 11,773]

15 hours ago, alt obits guy said:

Oommen Chandy, an Indian politician and popular deadpool pick, has died. He was 79.

 

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/south/senior-congress-leader-and-former-kerala-chief-minister-oommen-chandy-passes-away-1238088.html

Oommen Chandy's aunt dead at 94.

[Sir Creep 7,068]

14 hours ago, drol said:

Oommen Chandy's aunt dead at 94.

Noooo!  Not Chandy’s Chaunty!

[drol 11,773]

On 02/08/2022 at 22:10, arghton said:

 

Tibor Füzessy (1928) Antall's and Boross' Civilian Intelligence Services minister

 

 

Tibor Füzessy dead at 94.

[alt obits guy 3,361]

Tommie Broadwater Jr, a former State Senator from Maryland who was later convicted of food stamp fraud, has died. He was 81.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/obituaries/2023/07/19/tommie-broadwater-prince-georges-dead/

[drol 11,773]

On 05/04/2019 at 22:34, drol said:

Đồng Sĩ Nguyên, who succeeded the late Do Muoi as Minister of Construction and who was also Deputy PM of Vietnam for nine years, has died aged 96. He was responsible for mantaining the Ho Chi Minh trail during the war and was interviewed in 2017 documentary The Vietnam War.  The documentary also contained an interview to Republic of Vietnam colonel Trần Ngọc Châu, (1923),  former DDP pick. Among the Southerners who fled to America I'd like to remember general Tran Thien Khiem (1925), the last PM of South Vietnam, who has received his Christening last year and was very frail. Oh, and dying mr. Ly Tong (1946) of course.

 

Among the commies there's not only perennial 108 Hospital resident Le Duc Anh (1920). Legendary diplomat and vicepresident Nguyen Thi Binh (1927) is still doing relatively well, and among the living vice PMs we find Nguyen Con (1915, he came before Do Muoi and looks like a zombie), Tran Phuong (1927), Nguyen Ngoc Triu (1926), Nguyen Kahn (1928), Doan Duy Thanh (1929), a plethora of nobodies.

 

More notable (but don't exaggerate) are general Nguyen Trong Vinh (1916) and influential linguist Vu Khieu (1916). And another mate of mr. Anh I can't find anything about right now, born in 1926.

Nguyen Khanh dead at 95.

[arghton 6,635]

On 01/05/2022 at 19:44, arghton said:

ISLE OF MAN (UK)

John Raymond Kniveton (1933) Former Legislative Council member

Edgar Quine (1934) Former House of Keys member

Walter Gilbey (1935) Former House of Keys member

Edmund Lowey (1938) Former Legislative Council member

Donald Gelling (1938) Chief Minister of the Isle of Man 1996-2001, 2004-2006

Walter Gilbey, British (Manx) politician and former Chairman of Manx Telecom, dead at 88.

[gcreptile 10,935]

Former Labour Party MP Ann Clwyd dead at 86:

https://nation.cymru/news/former-labour-mp-ann-clwyd-dies-at-86/

 

Wales' longest-serving female MP and a human rights campaigner.

[YoungWillz 20,899]

2 hours ago, gcreptile said:

Former Labour Party MP Ann Clwyd dead at 86:

https://nation.cymru/news/former-labour-mp-ann-clwyd-dies-at-86/

 

Wales' longest-serving female MP and a human rights campaigner.

 

On 12/05/2014 at 12:26, Bibliogryphon said:

Trumpets sound, heavens open and the list of 53 surviving MEPs from the first parliament descends to the Deathlist

 

1. Gordon Adam (1933-
2. Richard Balfe (1944-
3. Neil Balfour (1944-
4. Beata Brookes (1931-
5. Richard Caborn (1943-
6. Frederick Catherwood (1925-
7. Ann Clwyd (1937-
8. Ken Collins (1939-
9. Richard Cottrell (1943-
10. David Curry (1944-
11. Ian Dalziel (1947-
12. Marquess of Douro (Charles Wellesley) (1945-
13. Winifred Ewing (1929-
14. Adam Fergusson (1932-
15. Michael Gallagher (1934-
16. Win Griffiths (1943-
17. David Harris (1937-
18. Gloria Hooper (1939-
19. William Hopper (1929-
20. Brian Hord (1934-
21. John Hume (1937-
22. Alasdair Hutton (1940-
23. Christopher Jackson (1935-
24. Robert V. Jackson (1936-
25. Stanley Johnson (1940-
26. Edward Kellett-Bowman (1931-
27. Brian Key (1947-
28. Alfred Lomas (1928-
29. John Marshall (1940-
30. Robert Moreland (1941-
31. Bill Newton Dunn (1941-
32. Lord O'Hagan (Charles Strachey) (1945-
33. Ian Paisley (1926-
34. Ben Patterson (1939-
35. Andrew Pearce (1937-
36. Henry Plumb (1925-
37. Peter Price (1942-
38. James Provan (1936-
39. John Purvis (1938-
40. Joyce Quin (1944-
41. Allan Rogers (1932-
42. Barry Seal (1937-
43. Richard Simmonds (1944-
44. Anthony Simpson (1935
45. Tom Spencer (1948-
46. James Spicer (1925-
47. Jack Stewart-Clark (1929-
48. John Taylor (1937-
49. John Taylor (1941-
50. Frederick Tuckman (1922-
51. Amedee Turner (1929-
52. Alan Tyrrell (1933-
53. Michael Welsh (1942-

I think the above list has been updated since originally posted, but probably in a quote which makes it unsearchable.

 

Anyhow, Ann Clwyd is another faller from the MEP list.

[Sly Ronnie 866]

7 hours ago, gcreptile said:

Former Labour Party MP Ann Clwyd dead at 86:

https://nation.cymru/news/former-labour-mp-ann-clwyd-dies-at-86/

 

Wales' longest-serving female MP and a human rights campaigner.

 

Seemed to have a blind spot when it came to Iraqi children, however.

[arghton 6,635]

On 25/07/2019 at 20:31, drol said:

North Africa in general has lot to offer in matter of old politicians.

 

Tunisia:
*Rachid Sfar (1933), former PM.

*Zine El Abidine Ben Ali (1936), president and PM, now exiled, but in good health despite rumours. If for "good health" you mean "terminal prostate cancer"

*Hédi Baccouche (1930), former PM who is now a writer.

*Hamed Karoui (1927), rumoured to be dead last year, he actually lost his brother a month later circa. His nephew will run for president.

*Fouad Mebazaa (1933), President before Essebsi, he condoled his death today.

*Habib Ben Yahia (1938) Foreign Minister, now jailed for power abuse.

*Abdelbaki Hermassi (1937) Foreign Minister

*Ahmed Ben Salah (1926): he was born to bring socialism and revolution in Tunisia, but failed. Now president of his own party.

 

Algeria:

*Abdelaziz Bouteflika (1937), Ali Bou. Well, you all know the Living Dead and all hope for a state funeral to be held really soon.

*Liamine Zeroual (1941), young, but has great health problems and was reported dead different times.

*Abdelhamid Brahimi (1936), PM, who is now a writer.

*Sid Ahmed Ghozali (1937) Famous for his papillon, was bound to be a presidential candidate last year.

*Belaid Abdessalam (1928): a PM who has fought Islamists like no one.

*Ali Haroun (1927): member of the High Council of State.

 

Morocco:

*Ahmed Laraki (1931), from Laraki family, one-time PM and multiple times Foreign Minister.

*Ahmed Osman (1930), PM, brother in law of King Hassan II.

*Abderrahmane Youssoufi (1924), the real Moroccan star. Goes in and out of hospital for pneumonia, still made it to 95. Human rights activist.

*Abdelouahed Belkeziz (1939), Foreign Minister.

*Mohamed Benaissa (1937), quite a celebrity in the Country.

 

Libya:

*Mustafa Ben Halim (1921): Last PM of the KIngdom of Lybia and one of those who plotted against Gheddafi. Who tried to have him killed many times, of course.

*Abdul Ati al-Obeidi (1939), Foreign Minister, arrested and released in 2011.

 

Egypt:

*Hosni Mubarak (1928), the ethernal fucker

*Mohamed Hussein Tantawi (1935), deposed Mubarak.

*Kamal Ganzouri (1933), former PM.

*Hazem El Beblawi (1936) ousted Morsi.

*Ahmad Fathi Sorour (1932), Mubarak associate, who was ousted in 2011 as well.

*Amr Moussa (1936) Foreign Minister

It's been four years and with Sfar the above list is now 16/27 dead, here's an updated one...

 

Tunisia:

*Driss Guiga (1924) Ancient Bourguiba regime minister who has been rumored dead multiple times.

*Fouad Mebazaa (1933) President following the Arab Spring, looked frail at a memorial event for Mounir Jelili earlier this year.

*Habib Ben Yahia (1938) Benali Foreign Minister. Out of jail now?

*Mohamed Ennaceur (1934) Bourguiba labor minister back in the 1970s, parliament speaker, then President following Essebsi's death. Suffering from a long-term illness.

*Lazhar Karoui Chebbi (1927) Minister of Justice following the arab spring. Most notably announced the interpol notice for Benali. Now a member of Essebsi's party and regularly attends events.

*Mohamed Ghannouchi (1941) Faithful servant of Zine El Abidine Ben Ali, Prime Minister for more than a decade. Disappeared from public following the short amount of time he was both President and Prime Minister after Ben Ali fled the country.

*Rached Ghannouchi (1941) The current despot's greatest opponent, President of the Ennahda Movement. Has had ill health in the past.

*Ahmed Ounaies (1936) Former Foreign Minister. Has apparently been too ill to make live appearances recently, but regularly interviewed by phone.

 

Algeria:

*Liamine Zeroual (1941) Bouteflika predecessor. Ill health in the past, but still interviewed regularly.

*Sid Ahmed Ghozali (1937) former Prime Minister and presidential candidate, has been making less appearances recently and seemingly had some ill health during the last three years.

*Ali Haroun (1927) High Council of State member who has been making less public appearances in recent years and is now 96.

*Mohammed Bedjaoui (1929) Former foreign affairs minister, also was the President of the International Court of Justice in the 1990s.

*Lakhdar Brahimi (1934) UN guy, Elders Emeritus.

*Ahmed Taleb Ibrahimi (1932) Politician who spent 5 years in French prisons and then after Algeria's independence was tortured by Ben Bella for 8 months. Minister in Boumediene's and Bendjedid's times, dissident during Bouteflika's presidency. He's looked like a ghoul since the 1990s and looked like a cancer patient in 2021.

*Ali Benflis (1944) Controversial Bouteflika Prime Minister who supressed the 2001-2002 Black Spring.

*Mouloud Hamrouch (1943) Bendjedid Prime Minister who looks quite frail.

*Khaled Nazzar (1937-2024) Chainsmoker member of the High Council of State and Major General. Supressed the 1988 October riots. Died after months on his deathbed.

*Salah Goudjil (1930/1931) Indestructible former minister who still holds positions.

*Fatiha Boudiaf (1944) Dissident widow of Head of State Mohamed Boudiaf.

 

Morocco:

*Ahmed Osman (1930) PM, brother in law of King Hassan II.

*Mohamed Bensaid Ait Idder (1925-2024) Berber politician, rebel, activist and communist. He was suffering from a serious illness over a year ago. Finally dead.

*Mohamed Benaissa (1937) Author, former Foreign Minister.

*Abbas El Fassi (1940) Prime Minister 2007-2011 and former chair of the Istiqlal Party. His government had a large amount of women as ministers.

*Mohamed El Yazghi (1935) Socialist leader and former Minister of State. Survived multiple assasination attempts, nearly blind, obese and can barely walk.

*Abbas Jirari (1937) Good guy and advisor of the President. Seems to be doing fine.

*Serge Berdugo (1938) Former Minister of Tourism who has up until recent years represented the King multiple times, also a leader in the Moroccan Jewish community.

 

Libya:

*Abdul Ati al-Obeidi (1939-2023), Foreign Minister, 70s prime minister. Survived civil wars, but didn't survive a heart attack.

*Muhammad al-Zanati (1937) Gaddafi Prime Minister for 16 years. Looks very frail now.

*Khalifa Haftar (1943) In the 60s, 70s he was one of Gaddafi's top commanders until he became a threat to Gaddafi...the US saved him from the fate of Musa al-Sadr and he spent decades planning Gaddafi's assasination with the CIA. Now a warlord wannabe-despot Field Marshal, Wagner PMC's best friend, he reportedly suffered a massive stroke in 2018 but did a great recovery.

*Nuri al-Mismari (1942) Gaddafi's Chief of Protocol. Interviewed by the BBC in 2014 where he talked about Gaddafi's harems of underaged boys and girls and keeping bodies of former ministers inside freezers. Known for dyeing his hair and moustache blonde as seen in images of him with Gaddafi and Berlusconi.

*Aguila Saleh Issa (1944) Civil War leader and former ISIS target.

*Abdallah Salem el-Badri (1940) OPEC boss twice. Also former Deputy Prime Minister of Libya.

*Abdessalam Jalloud (1944) Prime Minister 1972-1977. Now lives in Europe.

*Baghdadi Mahmudi (1945) Gaddafi's last Head of Govt. Released from jail due to ill health in 2019.

*Ahmad Bishti (1927-2016) Foreign Minister 1965-1968. Mentioned still living but I can't find any proof, but if still alive, a living relic of the Kingdom of Libya.

 

Egypt:

*Mohamed Fayek (1929) Relic from Nasser's and Sadat's times, information minister in the 1960s.

*Hazem El Beblawi (1936) ousted Morsi.

*Habib el-Adly (1938) Mubarak's longtime corrupt Minister of the Interior who, with Mubarak, ordered killings during the revolution.

*Ahmed Shafik (1941) Former Prime Minister, "holdover of the Mubarak regime".

*Ahmad Fathi Sorour (1932-2024), Mubarak associate, who was ousted in 2011 as well. Hospitalised and said to be in coma in March.

*Mervat Tallawy (1937) Social Democrat leader

*Amr Moussa (1936) Arab League leader and Foreign Minister. Still boringly active.

*Nabil Elaraby (1935) Foreign Minister after Mubarak was ousted.

*Zakaria Azmi (1939) Mubarak Chief of Staff. Most recently attended an event a few months ago but looked quite frail.

 

Mauritania:

*Mohamed Khouna Ould Haidalla (1940) Despot who ruled 1980-1984 and tried to introduce Sharia law, killed political opponents. Couped by Maaouya and has been an unsuccessful presidential candidate multiple times since. In ill health in recent years.

*Maaouya Ould Sid'Ahmed Taya (1941) Saddam lookalike who was supported by Saddam until the Gulf War when he decided the West might make a better partner, ending the three-decade Mauritania-Israel War. He was couped in 2005 while attending Saudi King Fahd's funeral and later started a career as a teacher. Hospitalised for some ailment a few years ago.

*Abdullah bin Bayyah (1935) Politician, cleric and "good guy" once quoted by Obama.

*Messaoud Ould Boulkheir (1943) Haratine politician and activist. Said ten years ago he'll be in politics until his death and still hasn't shown much signs of stopping.

 

Sahrawi ADR:

*Brahim Ghali (1949) Poundland/dollarstore African despot and President of the Sahrawi ADR since 2016. Very ill some years ago and widely said to suffer from intestinal cancer.

*Mohamed Lamine Ould Ahmed (1947) One of the founders of the Sahrawi ADR who was the Prime Minister in the 1970s.

[Summer in Transylvania 2,131]

Deputy Prime Minister of Czechoslovakia under Štrougal Miroslav Toman, Sr. (Czech Wiki) killed in a traffic collision aged 88.

 

Also father to Miroslav Toman, Jr., Minister for Agriculture between 2013-2014 and 2018-2021.

[drol 11,773]

On 25/03/2023 at 20:56, drol said:

Lula hospitalised with pneumonia.

 

I think it's the third time at least he gets hospitalised after regaining power. Also cancer survivor, worth his thread?

Lula hospitalised again .

[Ulitzer95 12,411]

Two retirements from the House of Lords today:

Lord Quentin Davies (wiki), 79, Conservative (then defected to Labour) MP (1987–2010), served as a minister under Gordon Brown
Lord Doug Hoyle (wiki), 93, Labour MP (1974–1997) and father of Commons Speaker Lindsay Hoyle

One more due on Thursday:

Lord Hylton (wiki), 91, Crossbench hereditary peer, longest serving crossbencher, sat in Parl since 1968

Just two years ago I frequently saw Hylton downing pints in the Lord Riverside Bar, but he looked pretty frail. I know nothing of the other two, but I think these could be 3 names worth watching.

[Summer in Transylvania 2,131]

On 21/09/2021 at 21:24, arghton said:

Udmurtia: Alexander Volkov (1951-2017) President 2000-2014

Volkov's successor Alexander Solovyov, President between 2014 and 2017, dead at 73/74.

[DCI Frank Burnside 3,870]

On 12/07/2023 at 17:25, drol said:

Chinese Foreign Minister Qin Gang in ill health according to the government.

Qin Gang Removed as Foreign Minister

 

Wang Yi his predecessor replaces him

[Gisooo 3,253]

On 09/06/2022 at 21:23, arghton said:

ARGENTINA (Including less notable names up to 1927)

Magdalena Álvarez de Seminario (1920) Deputy 1952-1955, one of the first female deputies.

Héctor Sandler (1921) Former Deputy.

Santiago Riveros (1923) Politician during Videla's tenure, military commander currently serving a life sentence for crimes against humanity.

Adolfo Navajas Artaza (1925-2022) Former Minister of Social Development.

Julio Bardi (1925) Videla's Minister of Social Development.

José María Klix (1925) Minister of Defence in Videla's govt 1976-1978.

Juan Alemann (1927) Former Finance Minister, survived bomb attack in 1978.

Antonio Salonia (1927) Former Minister of Education, frail

Julio Rajneri (1927) Former Minister of Education

Mercedes Aragonés de Juárez (1929) Former Santiago del Estero governor. Frail.

Isabel Perón (1931) President 1974-1976. In failing health for around a decade after a fall in 2007, osteoarthritis etc. First woman President in the world.

Graciela Fernández Meijide (1931) Minister of Social Development 1999-2001

Adolfo Pérez Esquivel (1931) Nobel-winning dissident.

Elva Roulet (1932) Former Buenos Aires Vice-Governor, first woman elected in a gubernatorial ticket of any Argentine province.

 

Mercedes Aragonés de Juárez (Wiki) dead at 96

Looks born between 1926 or 1927

[Thatcher 2,325]

Mitch McConnell has health issue whilst giving press conference, perhaps a stroke.

[jd24fan 78]

4 minutes ago, Thatcher said:

Mitch McConnell has health issue whilst giving press conference, perhaps a stroke.

 

 

I saw that myself, he did eventually return to the presser and claims to be fine. He had a fall a while back and was out of the Senate for a while, I wonder if it's complications from an injury relating to it? like a ministroke.

[Tango854 278]

58 minutes ago, Thatcher said:

Mitch McConnell has health issue whilst giving press conference, perhaps a stroke.

It could have been anything, he could have had a vision of death, shat himself, or decided to try out one of those edible things the kids like so much. 

[Commtech Sio Bibble 2,003]

1 hour ago, Thatcher said:

Mitch McConnell has health issue whilst giving press conference, perhaps a stroke.

Just watched the clip he does not look like a well man and the way that his colleges were speaking to him makes me think that it isn't the first time something like this has happened.

[MortalCaso 1,618]

4 minutes ago, Commtech Sio Bibble said:

Just watched the clip he does not look like a well man and the way that his colleges were speaking to him makes me think that it isn't the first time something like this has happened.

It will be interesting to look at the state of American politics in 10 years.

 

We will see a massive changing of the guard from deaths/retirements. Not all countries can say that and it hasn't always been that way in the U.S. Look at the Bush/Clinton eras that seemed relatively constant for 20-30 years.

[gcreptile 10,935]

He had the swollen hand a while back. The blood circulation and heart must be damaged. And it will kill him, but then, he IS 80+ years old.

[Tango854 278]

if he somehow survived that fall, he will survive this.