Thoughts and opinions on the death list 2019

[Grim Up North 3,725]

4 minutes ago, Toast said:

I don't subscribe to the notion that anyone is "too big to miss", or to drop.

 

The Queen is probably the only person without any known health issues  where I would consider putting her on the list every year.

 

Putting people on list because they are 'too big to miss' is just defensive and results in less hits.

 

Do we judge death list performance on how many they hit or who they miss? 

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16 minutes ago, Toast said:

 

My remarks are general, not personal.   Your point about long-standing DL names is what I'm talking about.

 

 

I doubt I would ever have put her on the list, because she has no known health issues. 

And as I already mentioned, I don't subscribe to the notion that anyone is "too big to miss", or to drop.

 

 

No, I don't agree with that.  Not if the goal is to select people who are likely to die in the course of the next year.  Picking 50 people who are famous and 90+ is just not very interesting.  But then perhaps the Committee isn't aiming to be interesting.

Thank you for your thoughtful response. You make some good points but alas I cant fully agree (or fully disagree!) as I dont think the approach to deathlists  can be as cut and dry as that. For instance with the very old they are likely to have health issues that arent disclosed.Not all famous people talk about their health or show indication they have issues.

I also feel that as the biggest and last major female star from the early dawn of  Hollywood's classic golden era ,beginning  in the 1930s, who is still alive   Olivia is arguably now too big to drop as that status is utterly unique. 

But alas I have made my case and agree to disagree. 

[Toast 16,140]

My feeling is that people shouldn't be on the list if they're not notable, but picking notable people simply because they are very very old is just lazy. 

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9 hours ago, Toast said:

My 2 cents.

The only case for including Sheila Mercier on the DL would have been her age.  I don't think that's enough, not if they are looking for people who are likely to die during the next year. There needs to be specific evidence of ill-health, and I don't think there was in her case.  Sure, anybody over 90 is going to be in their last years but there are plenty of other people with known diseases or life-limiting conditions.   And including anyone on the basis that they are "too big to miss" is missing the point IMO. 

 

I wouldn't include anyone purely because they are old.  I wouldn't put the Queen on the list, although I might include the D of E now as his health seems to be in steady decline.  OTOH he is a stubborn old bugger and I wouldn't put it past him to hang on for the ton.

 

You could definitely make this argument for the 90 year olds with no known health issues being on the list because of notability alone. It's pretty difficult to apply this reasoning to someone who is a century old and has enough note-worthiness to make the list. For example, a current 92-year-old having a slight heart attack a decade ago doesn't make them any more noteworthy of the list than someone on their last legs at 100. It's not the easiest thing to find 50 noteworthy people of ill enough health for the list and then 25 new people year after year. 

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On 02/01/2019 at 17:00, Book said:

Ladies and Gentleman, the DL-Birthday-List!

4 candidates could not celebrate their birthday, 9 died after their birthday.

 

 

17.01.1922   Betty White 

19.01.1920   Javier Perez de Cuellar

30.01.1937   Vanessa Redgrave

02.02.1926   Valéry Giscard d`Estaing

16.02.1927   June Brown

20.02.1927   Sidney Poitier

20.02.1940   Jimmy Greaves

21.02.1924   Robert Mugabe   but 

01.03.1927   Harry Belafonte

02.03.1931   Mikhail Gorbachev

06.03.1926   Alan Greenspan

20.03.1917   Vera Lynn

03.04.1922   Doris Day but

14.04.1932   Loretta Lynn

17.04.1940   John McCririck but

04.05.1928   Hosni Mubarak

18.05.1942   Nobby Stiles

27.05.1915   Herman Wouk

27.05.1923   Henry Kissinger

07.06.1953   Johnny Clegg but

08.06.1927   Jerry Stiller

09.06.1924   Tony Britton   but 

10.06.1921   Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh

22.06.1932   Prunella Scales

01.07.1916   Olivia de Havilland

02.07.1922   Pierre Cardin

12.07.1964   Leah Bracknell   but 

22.07.1923   Bob Dole

19.08.1939   Ginger Baker   but 

22.08.1925   Honor Blackman

22.08.1939   Valerie Harper   but 

17.09.1929   Stirling Moss

25.09.1929   Barbara Walters 

01.10.1924   Jimmy Carter  

07.10.1931   Desmond Tutu 

07.10.1939   Clive James    but 

10.10.1923   Murray Walker 

28.10.1927   Cleo Laine 

15.11.1929   Ed Asner 

19.11.1932   Larry King 

26.11.1939   Tina Turner 

29.11.1932   Jacques Chirac  

05.12.1932   Little Richard 

09.12.1916   Kirk Douglas 

09.12.1929   Bob Hawke  

12.12.1923   Bob Barker 

13.12.1925   Dick van Dyke

23.12.1933   Emperor Akihito 

25.12.1957   Shane MacGowan 

30.12.1937   Gordon Banks  

 

 

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Honestly might be an unpopular opinion, but hoping we get some under 50s names in the list in 2020. Adds a bit more fun to it v/s when it's basically ancient folks in their 70s+.

 

Who those names would be couldn't tell you for the life of me, but that's why I'm not on the committee I guess. I'm sure there's a couple of someones out there who're both young and relevant, as well as being stricken with cancer/other life threatening illness, or are otherwise a bit of headcases where an overdose or such is a likelihood. Liam Gallagher anyone?

[Lafaucheuse 4,046]

1 hour ago, CastAway said:

Honestly might be an unpopular opinion, but hoping we get some under 50s names in the list in 2020. Adds a bit more fun to it v/s when it's basically ancient folks in their 70s+.

 

Who those names would be couldn't tell you for the life of me, but that's why I'm not on the committee I guess. I'm sure there's a couple of someones out there who're both young and relevant, as well as being stricken with cancer/other life threatening illness, or are otherwise a bit of headcases where an overdose or such is a likelihood. Liam Gallagher anyone?

Yeah I agree but it's a bit frustrating to see that the deahtlist has only like 15 hits (in average) on 50 celebrities every year, I mean they could choose some better picks which can make the score reach 25/50. In the other hand, I would be glad to see some young celebrities like 6ix9ine (I thought of him recently) who could be a great choice… Choosing some young celebrities means taking the risk to have less than 15 hits per year…

[The Old Crem 3,588]

On 01/01/2019 at 01:10, msc said:

The 2019 dropped list

 

 

 

9		1	Linda Nolan	59	Nolan Sister
21		4	Leslie Phillips	94	Comedy Actor
22		2	Jill Gascoine	81	Actress
31		1	Stanley Baxter	92	Comedian
33		1	Mel Brooks	92	Comedian / Director
34		2	Pope Benedict XVI	91	Former Pope
38		2	Sean Connery	88	Bond
39		3	Louis Farrakhan	86	Nutter
41		2	Ian St John	80	Footballer
46		1	Ronnie Wood	71	Rolling Stone
47		1	Olivia Newton-John	70	Singer
48		1	Joni Mitchell	75	Singer songwriter
49		2	Paul Gascoigne	51	Gazza

 

 

All made it to 2020.

[msc 18,443]

20 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

All made it to 2020.

 

Yup, which is unusual but well played for once.

[Sir Creep 7,070]

I said 9 here earlier but posted 11 in the Correctlist DP.  So 11.

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