Anubis the Jackal 77 Posted June 14, 2005 To quote Guesty from another thread... "My ultimate fear is not that he'll be found "Innocent"/"Guilty as Hell", but that in true Private Eye style he'll be found to be "Famous" and get off scott free again. " Sums it up nicely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy Ronnie 78 Posted June 14, 2005 From the evidence I heard I'd say the jury got this one right. The standard is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. Just about every witness who testified against Jacko was tainted one way or another (e.g. had previously sued him, testimony was contradicted, etc.). The DA, who will go down with Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden in the annals of all-time crap California public prosecutors, was carrying a 13 year old grudge against Jackson and it showed in the case he brought - he tried for too many charges, including a ludicruos kidnapping claim, and didn't focus enough on the central issue of abuse. Plus the boy's family have a history of filing bogus lawsuits. I saw the Martin Bashir interview and came away from with the impression that Jackson's a nutcase, but not a child molester. Nothing that came out at trial made me think any different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Unregistered User Posted June 14, 2005 1st of all, all you haters out there u will fade into insignificance. MJ will be remembered as a great artist for centuries to come. He will be like a mozart of our time, regardless of what the HATERS say. MJ has done mistakes like all of us. The only difference is that he is the public eye, there his mistakes are 'publicized'. Guess it comes with the territory. /*******************************************************************/ Now, before u jump to conclusions, I’m not saying that I think that he is guilty as charged. When I said MISTAKES, I did not mean that. I meant more like plastic surgery, making himself venerable to fraud. I've got quite an interesting scenario. Again, for all you haters. Before I continue, this is the tip 4 the haters. /*******************************************************************/ 'Haters never get anywhere, because they spend all their time trying to bring others down, & therefore don't make much progression.' [Think about dat] Scnenario. 4 the haters. If God was standing right of you and he asked you - (lets forget about the debate about if there is God or not for arguments sake). Do you think MJ is guilty as charged? Before u say yes, there's a catch. /*******************************************************************/ If u say yes, you will lose your head if you’re wrong. If u don’t know, u can simply say ‘dunno’. Now, how many of you out there can confidently say YES. The point is that u don't know if he's guilty 4 sure or not. /*******************************************************************/ Infact, the most you investigate into the case yourself, the more innocent you find that he is. If u think that the jurors will let him go free if they thought he was guilty, then you need to do some soulsearching & opening your mind. Think about this. Surly if Micheal is guilty as charged, they would got a killer fact somewhere. Wat u have to remember is that Michael was scrutinised by prosecuters but the accussed weren’t. You now what that means. /*******************************************************************/ Facts Scenario 1 Michael (searched for evidence) – Guilty Accuser (not searched for evidence) – Innocent Let’s assume that Michael is guilty [& this is a fact]. This means there is a big probability that he will be found guilty. [Roughly about 7 on a scale of 1 – 10]. Obviously depends on factors such as our well the search is done and how the evidence is produced. /*******************************************************************/ Scenario 2 Michael (searched for evidence) – Innocent Accuser (not searched for evidence) – Guilty Let’s assume that Michael is not guilty [& this is a fact]. This means there will be a small probability that he will be found guilty. [Roughly about 3 on a scale of 1 – 10]. Obviously depends on factors such as our well the search is done and how the evidence is produced. /*******************************************************************/ Scenario 3 Michael (searched for evidence) – Guilty Accuser (searched for evidence) – Innocent Let’s assume that Michael is guilty [& this is a fact]. This means there will be a big probability that he will be found guilty. [Roughly about 9 on a scale of 1 – 10]. Obviously depends on factors such as our well the search is done and how the evidence is produced. /*******************************************************************/ Scenario 4 Michael (searched for evidence) – Innocent Accuser (searched for evidence) – Guilty Let’s assume that Michael is not guilty [& this is a fact]. This means there will be a small probability that he will be found guilty. [Roughly about 9 on a scale of 1 – 10]. Obviously depends on factors such as our well the search is done and how the evidence is produced. /*******************************************************************/ Although I know if MJ is guilty or not, I will keep my personal opinions with me for the mean time. We don’t know if MJ is guilty or not. The home of the accuser was not searched for evidence, so we will not concern ourselves with Scenario 3 & Scenario 4. Scenario 1 & Scenario 2 will be of more use to us. Since MJ was searched, while the accuser wasn’t, this gives him big disadvantage already. Since MJ was found innocent in spite of being rigorously searched for evidence, it means that there is a 75% chance that MJ is TRULY innocent. Scenario 3 or Scenario 4 would have given MJ a 50-50 which would have brought us closer to the truth because evidence will come from both sides. The sides should fit like a puzzle since there is only 1 truth. /*******************************************************************/ If you r smart you will know that - - Just because he paid off a settlement doesn’t mean he's guilty. We all react 2 things differently. That’s why MJ is the ****superstar*** he is & u haters r where u are. - Just because he shares his bed with kids doesn’t mean any sexual notations are involved. I wonder how many people know very much about the chandler(1993) case, especially those who say he's guilty! /*******************************************************************/ All the haters out there are either COWARDS or FOOLS. Believe me, I meet people exactly like these folks. They don't get very far. Lastly, innocent till proven guilty. {Think be4 u talk/post} /*****************************************************************/ • Michael Jackson’s career has been declared dead before. • Michael had a #1 hit after his 1993 child molestation accusations. • Since 1993, he’s had two albums that have sold about 2 million copies each - great numbers for most artists. Even Madonna’s “American Life” album struggled to sell 1 million copies • R Kelly had a #1 album after being charged with child porn. • LA Reid and Missy Elliot are keen to work with him. • Martha Stewart is bigger than ever. /*******************************************************************/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
retardo 0 Posted June 14, 2005 1st of all, all you haters out there u will fade into insignificance. MJ will be remembered as a great artist for centuries to come. He will be like a mozart of our time, regardless of what the HATERS say. MJ has done mistakes like all of us. The only difference is that he is the public eye, there his mistakes are 'publicized'. Guess it comes with the territory. /*******************************************************************/ Now, before u jump to conclusions, I’m not saying that I think that he is guilty as charged. When I said MISTAKES, I did not mean that. I meant more like plastic surgery, making himself venerable to fraud. I've got quite an interesting scenario. Again, for all you haters. Before I continue, this is the tip 4 the haters. /*******************************************************************/ 'Haters never get anywhere, because they spend all their time trying to bring others down, & therefore don't make much progression.' [Think about dat] Scnenario. 4 the haters. If God was standing right of you and he asked you - (lets forget about the debate about if there is God or not for arguments sake). Do you think MJ is guilty as charged? Before u say yes, there's a catch. /*******************************************************************/ If u say yes, you will lose your head if you’re wrong. If u don’t know, u can simply say ‘dunno’. Now, how many of you out there can confidently say YES. The point is that u don't know if he's guilty 4 sure or not. /*******************************************************************/ Infact, the most you investigate into the case yourself, the more innocent you find that he is. If u think that the jurors will let him go free if they thought he was guilty, then you need to do some soulsearching & opening your mind. Think about this. Surly if Micheal is guilty as charged, they would got a killer fact somewhere. Wat u have to remember is that Michael was scrutinised by prosecuters but the accussed weren’t. You now what that means. /*******************************************************************/ Facts Scenario 1 Michael (searched for evidence) – Guilty Accuser (not searched for evidence) – Innocent Let’s assume that Michael is guilty [& this is a fact]. This means there is a big probability that he will be found guilty. [Roughly about 7 on a scale of 1 – 10]. Obviously depends on factors such as our well the search is done and how the evidence is produced. /*******************************************************************/ Scenario 2 Michael (searched for evidence) – Innocent Accuser (not searched for evidence) – Guilty Let’s assume that Michael is not guilty [& this is a fact]. This means there will be a small probability that he will be found guilty. [Roughly about 3 on a scale of 1 – 10]. Obviously depends on factors such as our well the search is done and how the evidence is produced. /*******************************************************************/ Scenario 3 Michael (searched for evidence) – Guilty Accuser (searched for evidence) – Innocent Let’s assume that Michael is guilty [& this is a fact]. This means there will be a big probability that he will be found guilty. [Roughly about 9 on a scale of 1 – 10]. Obviously depends on factors such as our well the search is done and how the evidence is produced. /*******************************************************************/ Scenario 4 Michael (searched for evidence) – Innocent Accuser (searched for evidence) – Guilty Let’s assume that Michael is not guilty [& this is a fact]. This means there will be a small probability that he will be found guilty. [Roughly about 9 on a scale of 1 – 10]. Obviously depends on factors such as our well the search is done and how the evidence is produced. /*******************************************************************/ Although I know if MJ is guilty or not, I will keep my personal opinions with me for the mean time. We don’t know if MJ is guilty or not. The home of the accuser was not searched for evidence, so we will not concern ourselves with Scenario 3 & Scenario 4. Scenario 1 & Scenario 2 will be of more use to us. Since MJ was searched, while the accuser wasn’t, this gives him big disadvantage already. Since MJ was found innocent in spite of being rigorously searched for evidence, it means that there is a 75% chance that MJ is TRULY innocent. Scenario 3 or Scenario 4 would have given MJ a 50-50 which would have brought us closer to the truth because evidence will come from both sides. The sides should fit like a puzzle since there is only 1 truth. /*******************************************************************/ If you r smart you will know that - - Just because he paid off a settlement doesn’t mean he's guilty. We all react 2 things differently. That’s why MJ is the ****superstar*** he is & u haters r where u are. - Just because he shares his bed with kids doesn’t mean any sexual notations are involved. I wonder how many people know very much about the chandler(1993) case, especially those who say he's guilty! /*******************************************************************/ All the haters out there are either COWARDS or FOOLS. Believe me, I meet people exactly like these folks. They don't get very far. Lastly, innocent till proven guilty. {Think be4 u talk/post} /*****************************************************************/ • Michael Jackson’s career has been declared dead before. • Michael had a #1 hit after his 1993 child molestation accusations. • Since 1993, he’s had two albums that have sold about 2 million copies each - great numbers for most artists. Even Madonna’s “American Life” album struggled to sell 1 million copies • R Kelly had a #1 album after being charged with child porn. • LA Reid and Missy Elliot are keen to work with him. • Martha Stewart is bigger than ever. /*******************************************************************/ "He will be like a mozart of our time there is a 75% chance that MJ is TRULY innocent. Scenario 3 or Scenario 4 would have given MJ a 50-50 " Scenario 5 says you are 100% idiot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Four Horsemen 26 Posted June 14, 2005 You weren't that mad old bag with the hamper full of doves on yesterdays news, were you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_fan 42 Posted June 14, 2005 MJ will be remembered as a great artist for centuries to come. He will be like a mozart of our time, regardless of what the HATERS say. MJ has done mistakes like all of us. The only difference is that he is the public eye, there his mistakes are 'publicized'. Guess it comes with the territory. I disagree with you on that one. His fixation with children and those child molestation allegations against him have significantly damaged his reputation and his music career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
honez 79 Posted June 14, 2005 MJ was not proven innocent! The jury found that there was not sufficient evidence to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that he was guilty. They delivered the only other verdict they were allowed--not guilty. Not being able to prove his guilt one hundred percent is a far, far cry from being innocent. What MJ's supporters will gladly gloss over, is the fact that this was deliberated before this went to trial. It was considered at the time that there was sufficient evidence against him to go to trial. Again, if he was truly innocent, it would never have gone to trial in the first place. The man is anything but innocent--they just didn't have enough to pin on him to make it stick beyond all reasonable doubt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IYG Posted June 14, 2005 I do hope Michael Jackson lost so much money from this thing that he has to sell the beatles album and hopefully Paul McCartney can buy them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Our Sole 5 Posted June 14, 2005 I do hope Michael Jackson lost so much money from this thing that he has to sell the beatles album and hopefully Paul McCartney can buy them. Given that most Beetles albums can be picked up for less than a tenner, he isn't going to get very much is he..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Josco 49 Posted June 14, 2005 I do hope Michael Jackson lost so much money from this thing that he has to sell the beatles album and hopefully Paul McCartney can buy them. Why on earth would you want 'smug' McCartney to buy them? Sony own the other half so they will out bid anyone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boudicca 702 Posted June 14, 2005 • Martha Stewart is bigger than ever. So prison food isn't that bad then? I think Michael Jackson could well be a good candidate for future Deathlists. It's been a while since he has been an "entertainer", as opposed to simply whining and crying on television. I wonder what his occupation should be listed as.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anubis the Jackal 77 Posted June 14, 2005 I think Michael Jackson could well be a good candidate for future Deathlists. It's been a while since he has been an "entertainer", as opposed to simply whining and crying on television. I wonder what his occupation should be listed as.. Childrens Entertainer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bald rick 9 Posted June 14, 2005 I think Michael Jackson could well be a good candidate for future Deathlists. It's been a while since he has been an "entertainer", as opposed to simply whining and crying on television. I wonder what his occupation should be listed as.. "Git"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IYG Posted June 14, 2005 I do hope Michael Jackson lost so much money from this thing that he has to sell the beatles album and hopefully Paul McCartney can buy them. Why on earth would you want 'smug' McCartney to buy them? Sony own the other half so they will out bid anyone else. I find it to be appropriate for the artists who made the music to own their music. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gunjaman5000 30 Posted June 14, 2005 I do hope Michael Jackson lost so much money from this thing that he has to sell the beatles album and hopefully Paul McCartney can buy them. Why on earth would you want 'smug' McCartney to buy them? Sony own the other half so they will out bid anyone else. I find it to be appropriate for the artists who made the music to own their music. You're dead right. I hope Yoko Ono gets her rightful half. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
football_fan 42 Posted June 14, 2005 I say it should be divided equally among the surviving members of the Beatles. As for Yoko, she was more of a detriment than a help to that group and contributed to its breakup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Die 63 Posted June 15, 2005 Apparently Wacko has said he's not going to have kids in his bed anymore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grim Reaper 186 Posted June 15, 2005 Apparently Wacko has said he's not going to have kids in his bed anymore He's getting a futon?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Die 63 Posted June 16, 2005 Apparently Wacko has said he's not going to have kids in his bed anymore He's getting a futon?? Maybe a camp bed. Latest news is that he may leave the USA....but not before appearing at Live 8(?) And the proprieter of a cafe near the courthouse has done so well that he's buying himself a new BMW Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Our Sole 5 Posted June 16, 2005 Latest news is that he may leave the USA... Desitnation Thailand perhaps.......? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Die 63 Posted June 16, 2005 Michael Jackson is "at peace" after the sensational conclusion of his child abuse trial, his brother Jermaine has said. In an interview on US television, Jermaine Jackson told of how his brother was recovering, and that it was time to "rejoice for the family". When asked about about his brother's eating habits, he said Michael "was eating sandwiches and things like that but it was just very tough". Jermaine admitted that the family was worried about Michael's safety, and said that he would not be surprised if his brother left the country. He said: "We've always had a love for other places outside the US. "I would be right with him." "Now that Michael's been vindicated, we all have to be careful... you never know what someone's plotting and planning." Jermaine said he did not know if Michael would be doing any interviews, saying: "I'm pretty sure he's just looking to rest. That's what's most important, to rest and get his mind back and focus on being a person - nothing about doing this or doing that but just resting." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted June 16, 2005 When asked about about his brother's eating habits, he said Michael "was eating sandwiches and things like that but it was just very tough". He can't afford fresh bread anymore? Tough indeed. regards, Hein Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lady Die 63 Posted June 22, 2005 On the subject of bread, you can now get toast with his face on... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4114248.stm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gangrenous Sphyncter 0 Posted June 23, 2005 On the subject of bread, you can now get toast with his face on...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/4114248.stm well hes gotta make a living you know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deadornot 12 Posted June 23, 2005 i know jacko is not guilty or at least that is what the verdict is but i think he could be assasinated by a realation to the famil or friend or possible the childs mother so you could add him to your list Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
