CarolAnn 926 Posted January 27, 2017 Back in the day we didn't take anti-depressants. We took a good shake to ourselves. However, death came earlier back then... Back in what day? I was diagnosed manic depressive in 1983 and havd been mostly medicated ever since. When I decided I was better off without lithium et al was when I found myself staring down the barrel of a shotgun, cutting my wrists, or driving into large bridge abutments. Alcohol and illegal drugs did nothing but make my illness and my problems worse.How about we provide support but lay off the medical advice? Ain't no one qualified. Right CA .... 'Lay off the medical advice' after a long advert for them, which was a shit advert if you've been on them for over 3 decades..... Find the problem Shaun, fix the problem.... Problem gone. Don't trust overpaid arrogant cunts.... There is no cure. It's a chronic condition. It's a flaw in the way my brain works. There is no way to stop me from experiencing mania without constant medication. I am so fucking sick and tired of people seeing mental issues as moral failings rather than medical problems. People have diabetes - they take insulin for the rest of their lives. My mother has heart failure - if she stops taking her medication she dies. I have bipolar disorder - if I stop taking my medication I go manic and have a psychotic break and I destroy my life and the lives of those around me. Treatment for mental illnesses aren't as refined because the brain is more complex than, say, your average liver. Side effects can be horrendous and medications may not work for everyone. The medications we have now are light years better than the ones that were used 30 or 40 years ago. Go pop some Haldol. I'll wait. It's always the same god damn thing. Get off this idea that depression is a weakness or get the fuck out of the way of people who have these illnesses and are trying to handle them responsibly. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted January 27, 2017 CA, wasn't a dig at you and your condition, but that you apply the same to Shaun and would condemn him to that dependency even if he has a case of SAD, needs his hole or is fucked off over his knee or his course. None of which would be advisable to go down the happy pill route. Your post was informative, saddening and compassionate, but you fucked up with that last sentence. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,814 Posted January 27, 2017 Drol Sr. was hospitalized last week for respiratory troubles, linked to his emphysema (a family genetic feature). Already discharged and back to drink all the day. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CarolAnn 926 Posted January 28, 2017 Back in the day we didn't take anti-depressants. We took a good shake to ourselves. However, death came earlier back then... Back in what day? I was diagnosed manic depressive in 1983 and havd been mostly medicated ever since. When I decided I was better off without lithium et al was when I found myself staring down the barrel of a shotgun, cutting my wrists, or driving into large bridge abutments. Alcohol and illegal drugs did nothing but make my illness and my problems worse.How about we provide support but lay off the medical advice? Ain't no one qualified. Right CA .... 'Lay off the medical advice' after a long advert for them, which was a shit advert if you've been on them for over 3 decades..... Find the problem Shaun, fix the problem.... Problem gone. Don't trust overpaid arrogant cunts.... There is no cure. It's a chronic condition. It's a flaw in the way my brain works. There is no way to stop me from experiencing mania without constant medication. I am so fucking sick and tired of people seeing mental issues as moral failings rather than medical problems. People have diabetes - they take insulin for the rest of their lives. My mother has heart failure - if she stops taking her medication she dies. I have bipolar disorder - if I stop taking my medication I go manic and have a psychotic break and I destroy my life and the lives of those around me. Treatment for mental illnesses aren't as refined because the brain is more complex than, say, your average liver. Side effects can be horrendous and medications may not work for everyone. The medications we have now are light years better than the ones that were used 30 or 40 years ago. Go pop some Haldol. I'll wait. It's always the same god damn thing. Get off this idea that depression is a weakness or get the fuck out of the way of people who have these illnesses and are trying to handle them responsibly. My statement "lay off the medical advice" was aimed at those who aren't qualified to give it. If you are a doctor I apologize for implying you aren't qualified, but nevertheless diagnosing on an internet forum is unethical as hell for doctors anyway. If someone has Seasonal Affective Disorder, medication may be warranted. Any sort of depression, intermittent or not, may warrant medication, temporarily or not. Either way, if medication or light boxes are the choice that choice should be supported, especially by individuals who don't really know the person in question from Adam. I hope this makes sense. It's 5am and I haven't had coffee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,399 Posted January 28, 2017 Is this still going on? Everyone's brain and system is different to everyone else's, so they react differently to most drugs. Hence I can take a few antibiotics for an infection but my wife's allergic to them, for one example. (I don't care if its a placebo effect for the record, if it makes you feel better, mon the placebo...) Some folk anti-Ds work for, others they don't. Personally I've always been slightly less batshit without them. Charon is right on his general point, they (anti-Ds) are handed out far too easily by doctors, who tend to use them for everything mental under the sun, and for years too. That's not what they are meant for in the vast majority of cases, where they are designed to be short term solutions while the person deals with the root cause of the issue, be it via CBT or other therapies, getting themselves out of a poisonous situation or so on. Far far too many people are being fobbed off on pills when they could be getting life changing long term treatment. (Information gained from msc Sr, who is a medical expert, though not a doctor - he hates doctors...) And some people, that long term treatment is the pills because that's how their brain is wired. Yeah, they might get it on certain other drugs which aren't currently available in the shops thanks to lobbyists and government pressure back in the 1910-20s. But the fact that they should pretty much all be legal is an entirely different topic. TL/DR version: you're both right and wrong and neither will change the others mind, but if anyone actually makes their medical options based on the Deathlist forum, they're fools. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,399 Posted January 28, 2017 Also, two things who are meant to help low mood are chocolate and sex. Something about brain chemicals. So that "get a shag" advice was more scientific than possibly intended... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,945 Posted January 28, 2017 I would advise more chocolate then. Chocolate never says no. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lard Bazaar 3,799 Posted January 28, 2017 Also, two things who are meant to help low mood are chocolate and sex. Something about brain chemicals. So that "get a shag" advice was more scientific than possibly intended... That explains why I'm such a fat bastard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,477 Posted January 28, 2017 Do you ever hope that one of Basement Jaxx dies in a car crash so you can post "Where's your airbag?" here and get ten likes? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218 Posted January 28, 2017 Do you ever hope that one of Basement Jaxx dies in a car crash so you can post "Where's your airbag?" here and get ten likes? Ok, Im thick and fucking old. That's gone over my head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,076 Posted January 28, 2017 Do you ever hope that one of Basement Jaxx dies in a car crash so you can post "Where's your airbag?" here and get ten likes? Ok, Im thick and fucking old. That's gone over my head. Me too. I did once buy a CD of theirs in a charity shop. They were headlining a festival that takes place near me, and I might have gone if their music had been to my taste. It wasn't so I didn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lard Bazaar 3,799 Posted January 28, 2017 Do you ever hope that one of Basement Jaxx dies in a car crash so you can post "Where's your airbag?" here and get ten likes? Ok, Im thick and fucking old.That's gone over my head. Me too. I did once buy a CD of theirs in a charity shop. They were headlining a festival that takes place near me, and I might have gone if their music had been to my taste. It wasn't so I didn't. They were a support act for Robbie Williams a few years back, and were really good. Made me shake my not inconsiderable booty. And I'm guessing LFN has no idea what we are on about as he is currently in shock. Am I getting on your Wyc? 😄😄😄😄 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218 Posted January 28, 2017 Do you ever hope that one of Basement Jaxx dies in a car crash so you can post "Where's your airbag?" here and get ten likes?Ok, Im thick and fucking old.That's gone over my head. Me too. I did once buy a CD of theirs in a charity shop. They were headlining a festival that takes place near me, and I might have gone if their music had been to my taste. It wasn't so I didn't. They were a support act for Robbie Williams a few years back, and were really good. Made me shake my not inconsiderable booty. And I'm guessing LFN has no idea what we are on about as he is currently in shock. Am I getting on your Wyc? .....that's gone right over my head too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lard Bazaar 3,799 Posted January 28, 2017 Do you ever hope that one of Basement Jaxx dies in a car crash so you can post "Where's your airbag?" here and get ten likes?Ok, Im thick and fucking old.That's gone over my head. Me too. I did once buy a CD of theirs in a charity shop. They were headlining a festival that takes place near me, and I might have gone if their music had been to my taste. It wasn't so I didn't. They were a support act for Robbie Williams a few years back, and were really good. Made me shake my not inconsiderable booty. And I'm guessing LFN has no idea what we are on about as he is currently in shock. Am I getting on your Wyc? .....that's gone right over my head too. Just like all them goals! Ah fuck me, just saw you pipped it in the fucking NINETY SEVENTH minute! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218 Posted January 28, 2017 Do you ever hope that one of Basement Jaxx dies in a car crash so you can post "Where's your airbag?" here and get ten likes?Ok, Im thick and fucking old.That's gone over my head. Me too. I did once buy a CD of theirs in a charity shop. They were headlining a festival that takes place near me, and I might have gone if their music had been to my taste. It wasn't so I didn't. They were a support act for Robbie Williams a few years back, and were really good. Made me shake my not inconsiderable booty. And I'm guessing LFN has no idea what we are on about as he is currently in shock. Am I getting on your Wyc? .....that's gone right over my head too. Just like all them goals! Ah fuck me, just saw you pipped it in the fucking NINETY SEVENTH minute! We are no pushovers anymore! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,814 Posted January 28, 2017 Drol Sr. was hospitalized last week for respiratory troubles, linked to his emphysema (a family genetic feature). Already discharged and back to drink all the day. If you are asking yourselves, I'm not George W. Bush. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218 Posted January 28, 2017 Drol Sr. was hospitalized last week for respiratory troubles, linked to his emphysema (a family genetic feature). Already discharged and back to drink all the day. If you are asking yourselves, I'm not George W. Bush. I am not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charon 4,943 Posted January 28, 2017 Basement Jaxx has a phenomenal mashup with black rebel motorcycle club.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,814 Posted January 28, 2017 Drol Sr. was hospitalized last week for respiratory troubles, linked to his emphysema (a family genetic feature). Already discharged and back to drink all the day. If you are asking yourselves, I'm not George W. Bush. I am not. Said if. In fact I know you know I'm Donald Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rockhopper penguin 2,265 Posted January 28, 2017 Drol Sr. was hospitalized last week for respiratory troubles, linked to his emphysema (a family genetic feature). Already discharged and back to drink all the day. If you are asking yourselves, I'm not George W. Bush. I am not. I'm not George Bush and neither is my wife. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,814 Posted January 28, 2017 Drol Sr. was hospitalized last week for respiratory troubles, linked to his emphysema (a family genetic feature). Already discharged and back to drink all the day. If you are asking yourselves, I'm not George W. Bush. I am not. I'm not George Bush and neither is my wife. Everyone is Bush, at least in part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rockhopper penguin 2,265 Posted January 28, 2017 Drol Sr. was hospitalized last week for respiratory troubles, linked to his emphysema (a family genetic feature). Already discharged and back to drink all the day. If you are asking yourselves, I'm not George W. Bush. I am not. I'm not George Bush and neither is my wife. Everyone is Bush, at least in part. Which part? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,814 Posted January 28, 2017 Which part? You know. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,076 Posted January 28, 2017 I thought we were all made of stardust .... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,814 Posted January 28, 2017 I thought we were all made of stardust .... Stardust and Bush. And some of us is even made with worse things... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
