Scottish Independence

[charon 4,943]

 

And on the proddy supremist night, the good folk of the shire take burning effigies to a new level.

 

Bitter or what? Condemned them to decades of Tory/ukip rule and that's how they take it.

 

Lol.

[Toast 16,132]

And on the proddy supremist night, the good folk of the shire take burning effigies to a new level.

 

Bitter or what? Condemned them to decades of Tory/ukip rule and that's how they take it.

 

Lol.

 

Hardly a "new level". It's a long-standing tradition in Lewes.

 

Personally I'd have gone for Oscar Pistorius this year, though.

[En Passant 3,741]

And on the proddy supremist night, the good folk of the shire take burning effigies to a new level.

 

Bitter or what? Condemned them to decades of Tory/ukip rule and that's how they take it.

 

Lol.

Personally I'd have gone for Oscar Pistorius this year, though.

 

That's just because he's got a fat head and no legs.

[Bibliogryphon 9,571]

Currently SNP are polling 50% north of the border which brings the possibility that the next Government may be a Labour/SNP coalition at Westminster. How will that go down with all the little Englanders?

[charon 4,943]

 

 

No chance, a SNP/ukip alliance , lol, maybe. But New Labour are finished up here.

 

A different socialist party may have a chance, but even over the border, they are starting to see through the red Tory bastards.

 

Geordie's get let off, as they are north of the Wall...

[Rotten Ali 600]

I was lead to believe that the SNP were said to be the tartan Tories. So maybe Conservative/SNP coalition looks more likely.

[msc 18,438]

I was lead to believe that the SNP were said to be the tartan Tories. So maybe Conservative/SNP coalition looks more likely.

 

Already been ruled out. The SNP currently target the left of centre voter disenfranchised by Labour's meltdown, so jumping into bed with the Tories would be electoral suicide for them.

[Bibliogryphon 9,571]

I was lead to believe that the SNP were said to be the tartan Tories. So maybe Conservative/SNP coalition looks more likely.

 

Indeed that was the origin of the SNP but there has been a lot of water under the (Forth) bridge since then.

[Windsor 2,233]

Don't forget that the last time the SNP held the balance of power they handed the keys to Downing Street to Margaret Thatcher.

 

The best political move the party ever made, as they are inherently selfish...

[themaninblack 2,112]

"Turkeys voting for an early Christmas" as Jim Callaghan said...

[Bibliogryphon 9,571]

Don't forget that the last time the SNP held the balance of power they handed the keys to Downing Street to Margaret Thatcher.

 

The best political move the party ever made, as they are inherently selfish...

 

I think the current SNP is probably a little more sophisticated and have probably learnt a lot from those event.

 

The SNP were punished at the ballot box retaining just 2 MPs after 1979.

 

Here we would be potentially looking at a Labour/SNP/PC coalition if Labour cannot win an outright majority.

 

Of course if Labour get a small majority as in 1974 within 18 months or so natural wastage may see them into a minority position in which case the actions of Nationalist will become important.

 

But a Labour government supported by Scottish Nationalists would have a large number of people on the right gnashing their teeth and bemoaning the loss of the opportunity "To do something about Scotland"

[Windsor 2,233]

Could be interesting to watch the SNP fall apart under Sturgeon.

 

I noted Salmond was giving an interview to the BBC regarding possible coalition partners even though he was no longer leader of the party...

[EGN 121]

I don't think it'll be long before the true indyref backlash hits the SNP. They can't see their massive rise in membership for what it is; a few disgruntled souls searching for a voice. To bank on this as a sign of increased popularity is incredibly naive leadership from Salmond, which I suspect will continue under Sturgeon.

 

Their presumptive politics have already been shown as unpopular and however loud their fervent supporters may shout, they are a minority. The '55%' of Scotland who seem to hold the braincells aren't participating in this perceived 'Massive Labour backlash' in the fall out of the Indyref.

 

SNP supporters may be the most visible and audible, but I (as a staunch Tory) will be voting for Labour just to keep the SNP out, as will many of my fellow Unionists.

 

This next general election will be very interesting and, I'd suggest, indicative of Scotland's future for the next decade.

[Windsor 2,233]

To bring this topic in line with the purpose of the forum, it may be worth remembering that:

 

1) Alex Salmond is grossly overweight and will be 60 in December.

2) His wife Moira is 17 years older than him meaning she is 77 on her next birthday.

3) His father Robert Salmond will be 94 on his next birthday: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-28158107

 

Just saying...

[YoungWillz 21,033]

Here we go again.

[charon 4,943]

Round 2, game on :)

 

[torbrexbones 717]

This time when they lose the fish should slit their gills and flap about the floor until they bleed to death.

 

Just like they have done to Scotland for the last 5 years with their single policy.

[Thatcher 2,397]

• Must reapply for membership of the EU - including accepting Schengen Agreement and Euro as currency. 
• Must reapply for membership of NATO.
• Oil is worth it's lowest in some time, which formed a main part of their economic plan. 
• Nicola Sturgeon's popularity is dropping. 
• She's now an official liar - or she spoke a load of bullshit in 2014, one of the two.
• This tells the real story I think.

There has been no substantial change in the polls to indicate a swing should there be a 2nd Independence Referendum, and in fact the polls suggest people are against even holding a referendum at the moment. Scotland voted to stay with the UK, and as a whole the UK decided to leave the European Union. She bangs on about not dragging Scotland out of the EU against their will, but what about dragging all the people (majority, might I add) out of the UK against their will who voted to stay only 3 years ago? I think she must know she will get hammered over the pound, hammered over the drop in oil prices and there is absolutely no way she will get any help from NATO or the EU offering an Independent Scotland any fast-track because Spain will veto it because of Catalonia.

[YoungWillz 21,033]

Pessimistic, aren't ya?

[Thatcher 2,397]

Not as pessimistic as I imagine Sturgeon is after Day 1 of Indy2. 

[msc 18,438]

Somewhere very much like the current First Minister has said, in private, that the whole leaving the currency issue outstanding last time was an error. So I'd like to think someone like her would have a public answer for that one this time around.

 

Anyhow, who cares about the EU fast track or what not? There's not an option on the table, apparently, which leaves Scotland in the EU and not needing re-entry, either as Indy or as part of the UK doing a U-turn. So, you know, this isn't a bargaining issue, it's a thing which will happen regardless.

 

Also, sod the oil. I'd give it to the English. Give them the nukes too.

 

 

(Visual representation of me at the negotiation table...)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[YoungWillz 21,033]

I'd agree this is a gamble.

 

However, as yet I gather she's not saying she will hold another referendum. She is saying she is putting in place the mechanics for one if it looks like Westminster, for let's say the millionth time, gets a deal which disproportionately affects the Scottish interest (whatever that may be in x months' time).

 

I'd say May's first response of "know your place, we'll handle this for you, get on with your little regional issues" isn't her best opening gambit.

 

Catfight!

[charon 4,943]

Yeah msc , I'd return their nukes. At the speed they're built for. And fuck NATO, Vladimir would get moist of joining with us.....perfect 'stick' to beat Europe with.

[YoungWillz 21,033]

Interesting posit in today's National.

 

I think John Curtice is quite right here to suggest that any Referendum also either at the same time or later puts the question of whether Scotland should be in the EU. Answers the point really that what is the point of gaining independence only to hand back powers to Europe?

 

I think Scotland could easily vote for Independence if they also had a say on either out of EU, in the EU or in the single market but out of EU. And it would settle all questions on that additional issue.

 

Meantime, we wouldn't be subject to populist votes down south, such as the Eurovision or the X Factor or indeed in General Elections where they continually vote for the wrong winner, he he.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

11 minutes ago, YoungWillz said:

Interesting posit in today's National.

 

I think John Curtice is quite right here to suggest that any Referendum also either at the same time or later puts the question of whether Scotland should be in the EU. Answers the point really that what is the point of gaining independence only to hand back powers to Europe?

 

I think Scotland could easily vote for Independence if they also had a say on either out of EU, in the EU or in the single market but out of EU. And it would settle all questions on that additional issue.

 

Meantime, we wouldn't be subject to populist votes down south, such as the Eurovision or the X Factor or indeed in General Elections where they continually vote for the wrong winner, he he.

I think there are too many assumptions.

Whether Scotland remains or leaves the rest of the UK has no bearing on EU membership whatsoever.

Scotland is leaving the EU whether it stays or goes.

It will have to apply to rejoin, it could take years and there is a 99.99999999999% probability that at least one country will veto its application.

It wont even be allowed to become somesort of associate member.

Im all for democracy and respect the right of Scottish people to decide its own future but, whatever way its cut, its out of the EU.

Sturgeon and the EU have already confirmed that it would require applying for so Im fucked If I know why she is hell bent on yet another referendum.

Scottish exports to the rest of the UK are four times more valuable than to the rest of the EU, its a big fuck off no brainer to an economy that is hardly in rude health.