Boxing Clever?

[maryportfuncity 10,615]

On 17/06/2017 at 06:27, charon said:

Listening to a bit on Christie by Bunce + McGuigan, and wee Barry says he was confused for a bit as to whether it was Errol or Herol that had died as they are both ill. Herol, as in Graham, tried to top himself a decade ago, but went to work in Asda two years ago in a bid to beat the depression when it returned. Worth a spot in monitoring lists...*he does have a just giving page but I couldn't get it to load...

 

 

It's loading now: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/HerolBomberGraham

[Spade_Cooley 9,468]

EBU women's featherweight boxing champion Angelique Duchemin dead of a pulmonary embolism at 26.

[maryportfuncity 10,615]

Incidentally - Herol "Bomber" Graham is only 36% of the way to a modest JustGiving target of £5000 and the page has been up for weeks now.

 

D'ya think that'll help or hinder his battle with mental health problems?

[charon 4,943]

Ahhh. That matches what I heard at the time of Errol Christies death, that both were battling illness so the boy being interviewed didn't know which had died.

[Thatcher 2,329]

On 15/03/2017 at 16:08, Spade_Cooley said:

Weirdly enough, I was looking at his Wikipedia article this morning out of a bored desire to compile a list of the 20 oldest lineal boxing champions still living. Here is that list:

 

1. Jake LaMotta (Middleweight) 95
2. Robert Cohen (Bantamweight) 86
3. Tony DeMarco (Welterweight) 85
4. Terry Downes (Middleweight) 80
5. Freddie Little (Light middleweight) 80
6. Carlos Ortiz (Light welterweight) 80
7. Éder Jofre (Featherweight) 80
8. Curtis Cokes (Welterweight) 79
9. Alessandro Mazzinghi (Light middleweight) 78
10. Nino Benvenuti (Middleweight) 78
11. José Nápoles (Welterweight) 76
12. Takeshi Fuji (Light welterweight) 76
13. Sugar Ramos (Featherweight) 75

Dead.

 

Edit: Daily Mail obituary.

[Phantom 2,530]

4 hours ago, Thatcher said:

Dead.

 

I could be mistaken, but I think Sugar Ramos is my wife's cousin's favourite boxer. Her cousin is a middleweight. 

[maryportfuncity 10,615]

7 hours ago, Thatcher said:

Dead.

 

 

An interesting list that - kind of - says something important about brain damage amongst heavyweights. And, if you consider the heavyweight champions of that era were lighter and - therefore - packed slightly less concussive damage in their fists than do the current generation...it'd be interesting to book a chat with a 70 year old Mike Tyson, eh?

[Spade_Cooley 9,468]

Two of Ramos' opponents died in the ring, which, you know, one is careless....

 

[msc 18,396]

Ah, the Ox Baker of boxing.

[Sir Creep 7,069]

57 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said:

Two of Ramos' opponents died in the ring, which, you know, one is careless....

 

 

[bladan 293]

French world featherweight champion Angelique Duchemin, 26, has died after suffering a heart problem in training for an upcoming defense of her title.

 

https://www.rt.com/sport/401444-female-world-champ-boxer-dies/

[Spade_Cooley 9,468]

So Robert Cohen becomes the oldest lineal boxing champion still alive. Living in South Africa according to this 2012 article, but not much else recent out there.

[YoungWillz 20,914]

On ‎3‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 16:08, Spade_Cooley said:

Weirdly enough, I was looking at his Wikipedia article this morning out of a bored desire to compile a list of the 20 oldest lineal boxing champions still living. Here is that list:

 

1. Jake LaMotta (Middleweight) 95

    

2. Robert Cohen (Bantamweight) 86

    

3. Tony DeMarco (Welterweight) 85

    

4. Terry Downes (Middleweight) 80

    

5. Freddie Little (Light middleweight) 80

    

6. Carlos Ortiz (Light welterweight) 80

    

7. Éder Jofre (Featherweight) 80

    

8. Curtis Cokes (Welterweight) 79

    

9. Alessandro Mazzinghi (Light middleweight) 78

    

10. Nino Benvenuti (Middleweight) 78

     

11. José Nápoles (Welterweight) 76

     

12. Takeshi Fuji (Light welterweight) 76

     

13. Sugar Ramos (Featherweight) 75

     

14. Billy Backus (Welterweight) 74

     

15. Chartchai Chionoi (Flyweight) 74

     

16. Koichi Wajima (Light middleweight) 73

     

17. José Legrá (Featherweight) 73

     

18. Ismael Laguna (Lightweight) 73

     

19. Fighting Harada (Bantamweight) 73

     

20. Hiroshi Kobayashi (Junior lightweight) 72

     

Terry Downes gone down in the 81st...https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/4628749/world-champion-terry-downes-dies-aged-81/

[Spade_Cooley 9,468]

Ah that's a shame, great little fighter who really should have been more famous outside the boxing bubble. Didn't know he was ill at all.

 

Nice ending to his 1989 autobiography My Bleeding Business:

 

Quote

“I’ve lived the life I wanted, been blessed with a good family, done all the things I ever dreamed of, from birds to booze. I haven’t got a lot of money but I haven’t got to go out and get any. I’m too old to alter. Accept me as I am.”

 

[DevonDeathTrip 2,356]

Downes was shockingly overlooked for any honours and only belatedly awarded the more lowly British Empire Medal, when, as a world champion, he deserved an MBE at the very least.

 

Also, I quite like the fact that he once lost to an opponent called Dick Tiger 

[charon 4,943]

Fuck, how did I not know Downes was the Counts hunchback assistant in Polanski's The Fearless Vampire Killers?

 

Watched that a lot over the years.

[DevonDeathTrip 2,356]

An update - from August- about my DDP wildcard pick Steve Pollard.

 

 

[Joey Russ 7,210]

45 minutes ago, DevonDeathTrip said:

An update - from August- about my DDP wildcard pick Steve Pollard.

 

 

So was that what the benefit event was for? 

[msc 18,396]

Previously in Dean Francis's story:

 

On 6/15/2017 at 22:36, msc said:

Well, 6 and a bit months to survive...

 

On 6/15/2017 at 22:54, Sean said:

Wasnt he told he had 2 yeaars to live?

 

On 6/15/2017 at 23:04, Death Impends said:

 

That was if he underwent chemo iirc. But he's forgoing chemo, and is instead pursuing that foolproof "expensive natural healing in Mexico" route.

 

 

An update on that: he was given 4 months to live without chemo. Back in February. Still alive, reliant on all the alternative medicines.

 

2018 DDP will be won or lost on who makes this call correct, imo.

[maryportfuncity 10,615]

8 hours ago, msc said:

Previously in Dean Francis's story:

 

 

 

 

 

An update on that: he was given 4 months to live without chemo. Back in February. Still alive, reliant on all the alternative medicines.

 

2018 DDP will be won or lost on who makes this call correct, imo.

 

Hmm - dunno about that; there are loads of dodderers defying the odds in the last weeks of 2017; some of whom might not see the start line. But Dean's a drop 40 case by default if he's still up for selection by then, surely.

[Joey Russ 7,210]

On 11/17/2017 at 19:57, msc said:

Previously in Dean Francis's story:

 

 

 

 

 

An update on that: he was given 4 months to live without chemo. Back in February. Still alive, reliant on all the alternative medicines.

 

2018 DDP will be won or lost on who makes this call correct, imo.

Dean Francis is preparing for Christmas...

[Toast 16,061]

According to that article he is having chemo.

 

“They gave Dean three to six momths back in January, and early February,” she said. “That’s nearly a year ago. He’s been up and down since then, it’s been a real rollercoaster. He had months of chemo and then we looked at alternative treatment and that has made a difference. He’s back on the chemo now and it’s just a case of how long can we keep going.

“I’m thankful that the scan he had in December showed that the cancer is ‘stable’, so we are taking that word as a positive. We’re doing quite well in this fight ....

 .... “He’s so up and down with the chemo, it’s honestly horrendous. Now, we don’t feel like victims, and all you can do is keep fighting. Sometimes it feels like it is winning, sometimes not. But we will keep going,” she added.

[msc 18,396]

Aye, back is the key word there.

 

[Death Impends 7,938]

Indeed, reads like a case of "chemo is too grueling, let's look into alternatives" and then a few months later "oh shit, this alternative quackery isn't doing anything and I still want to live. Back to the chemo I guess..."

[Sir Creep 7,069]

On 11/18/2017 at 04:21, maryportfuncity said:

 

Hmm - dunno about that; there are loads of dodderers defying the odds in the last weeks of 2017; some of whom might not see the start line. But Dean's a drop 40 case by default if he's still up for selection by then, surely.

Though I thank you for the reminder, this story reads (to me) like he is basically a nobody in the sport, maybe a 'local kid done good for hisself'?  If by 'making the correct call' we are thinking whether he's a chance of getting a QO, then I agree.  Unless the Bristol Post is on the list of authorities, I'm not certain at all the QO is forthcoming.   I ain't buying he's Drop 40 if he is given 14 days to live this afternoon.  I'm going to investigate though and see what play he got in QO media outlets.
SC