Sir Creep 7,070 Posted January 8, 2016 I do like that the cracks are mostly neutralizing each other, for example, Sir Creep and Spade stealing the unique away from each other, or similarly, both me and DDT picking Ronald Mulkearns and Gary Haggarty. On the other hand, this is slowly turning into two different competitions, one of them basically being a game checking the newspapers in the final week of the year for any kind of hospitalised terminal cancer "celebrities", and the other one being the originally intended celebrity deadpool. I wanted to show the ridiculousness of it with my theme team. But it's also showing outside of that, and I think my suggested rule of requiring a wikipedia page in any language, created in the year before picking the team, is sounding more correct each time to prevent a perversion of the system. The "really" famous cancer celebrities, Kate Granger or Kristin Hallenga, have these wikipedia pages, by the way. I've said time and again that only celebrities should count. I've also been told time and again that Lauren Hill was allowed. So I played my team accordingly. In fact I should have done more so. That said I maintain that Asif has no business in this game. THAT said, don't hate the player, hate the game. I'm all for a rule eliminating the Asif's of the world in the future, and all for collecting his points until then. SC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drunkasaskunk 194 Posted January 8, 2016 My tuppence worth. The definition of A CELEBRITY is a rather difficult one to make. How many times have you watched a UK "celebrity" show (such as IACGMOOH or celebrity big brother) and said "WHO?" I picked Lauren Hill last year because I thought I would be a mug not to. She was a legitimate pick then and (if she was still alive) would be a legitimate pick today (as Hassan Asif is) I do not think they SHOULD be allowed but I know that it is difficult to legislate for defining who should be allowed to be picked. Whilst the suggestion of the candidates having a Wikipedia page for a year before they can become a “candidate” has some merit it does not allow for “new” celebrities, for example, WHEN did Harold Shipman’s Wikipedia page go live? Even one of the picks from LAST YEAR, Martin Foran, STILL does not have a Wikipedia page (as I am sure quite a lot do not have either) One of my picks is former TV producer (and my ex boss at BBC Information) Gordon Ross. He does not have a Wikipedia page. But he also poses another problem for me too. Gordon has been all over the media in Scotland as he is a very vociferous proponent of people having the right to die with dignity, yet I am not convinced that if he passes he will get a scoring obit. I just googled him and I get plenty of reports from BBC Scotland, STV, the Herald, The Scotsman and The Daily record – ALL of which were accepted for official obits for 19 years but are all of a sudden no longer accepted for official obits. It seems rather perverse that what started out as a British celebrity dead pool now gives foreigners a better chance of scoring an official obit as it does our ain folk. THESE BBC URLs DO COUNT www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/africa http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/australia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/latin_america www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada Yet this one doesn’t. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland I know that the candidate that this obit is about DID get other obits, but it is rather strange that THIS OBIT does not qualify: - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-32970337 but this one does: - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33769486 Rant over. I am now donning my asbestos underwear. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Magere Hein 1,400 Posted January 8, 2016 I am now donning my asbestos underwear. Real Peabody & Manvilles? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phantom 2,533 Posted January 8, 2016 In other news I'm probably the last to get round to sharing my line up, kinda uninspired but bankable I'd say: Glen Cambell – JOKER Tony Booth Richard Petty Oskar Groenig Paul Lamb – right do die guy Brunhilde Pomsel Gaston Glock Joseph Kony Joey Feek Gazza Rene Angelil Bhumibol Adulyadej Martin Crowe Jenny Diski Clarissa Eden Zsa Zsa Gabor Billy Graham Dr. Kate Granger Jeanne Little Kirk Douglas Mine were cobbled together at the last minute. My main picks kept dying towards the end of the year so I threw a few names into a hat and see what came out. Kicking myself for missing Pat Harrington off my theme team though, Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted January 8, 2016 Daily Mail obit for Harrington Jr. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3389119/Pat-Harrington-Jr-best-known-playing-Schneider-70s-TV-series-One-Day-Time-dies-age-86.html Quelle surprise... Any official judgement regarding Hassan Asif and the "UK version of the paper/site" question? Not with me frantically inputting 450+ teams at the moment, no. But I do recognise that the Grauniad does rather blur it's boundaries as to which edition you are actually reading! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,140 Posted January 8, 2016 It seems rather perverse that what started out as a British celebrity dead pool now gives foreigners a better chance of scoring an official obit as it does our ain folk. THESE BBC URLs DO COUNT www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/africa http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/australia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/latin_america www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada Yet this one doesn’t. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland Yes, I do hope that TMIB reconsiders the BBC obit situation. While I think it's fair enough to exclude obits on the county level, it doesn't seem right to ban those that appear in the home nation level. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,646 Posted January 8, 2016 In other news I'm probably the last to get round to sharing my line up, kinda uninspired but bankable I'd say: Glen Cambell – JOKER Tony Booth Richard Petty Oskar Groenig Paul Lamb – right do die guy Brunhilde Pomsel Gaston Glock Joseph Kony Joey Feek Gazza Rene Angelil Bhumibol Adulyadej Martin Crowe Jenny Diski Clarissa Eden Zsa Zsa Gabor Billy Graham Dr. Kate Granger Jeanne Little Kirk Douglas Mine were cobbled together at the last minute. My main picks kept dying towards the end of the year so I threw a few names into a hat and see what came out. Kicking myself for missing Pat Harrington off my theme team though, One of my picks for a few teams - Lemmy - dropped out of the running late on. It pained me to pick him and - fuck knows - it was hypocritical of me to have a pick for a person I was also holding a ticket to see on stage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drunkasaskunk 194 Posted January 8, 2016 It seems rather perverse that what started out as a British celebrity dead pool now gives foreigners a better chance of scoring an official obit as it does our ain folk. THESE BBC URLs DO COUNT www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/africa http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/australia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/latin_america www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada Yet this one doesn’t. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland Yes, I do hope that TMIB reconsiders the BBC obit situation. While I think it's fair enough to exclude obits on the county level, it doesn't seem right to ban those that appear in the home nation level. Who knows, it might not make any difference. We shall see as time goes on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Toast 16,140 Posted January 9, 2016 It seems rather perverse that what started out as a British celebrity dead pool now gives foreigners a better chance of scoring an official obit as it does our ain folk. THESE BBC URLs DO COUNT www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/africa http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/australia http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/latin_america www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/us_and_canada Yet this one doesn’t. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland Yes, I do hope that TMIB reconsiders the BBC obit situation. While I think it's fair enough to exclude obits on the county level, it doesn't seem right to ban those that appear in the home nation level. Who knows, it might not make any difference. We shall see as time goes on. We won't know, though. It may well have influenced people's selections. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungWillz 21,044 Posted January 9, 2016 Yes, it did, I've rejected a few names as a result of the obituary qualifications, though you will find most of the rejects on other pools where the requirements are different. Won't matter though, I'd like to see me get a few hits this year though to compensate for my wooden spoon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drunkasaskunk 194 Posted January 9, 2016 Reuters. uk.reuters.com IS on the list of sites which provide qualifying obits. www.reuters.com is NOT on the lists, and neither are fr.reuters.com de.reuters.com jp.reuters.com etc . . . . HOWEVER: - The daily Mail on-line uses "wires" services (such as AP, PA and reuters.) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/index.html Just for clarification, would THIS count as a qualifying obit - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-2943982/John-Whitehead-former-leader-Goldman-Sachs-died-company.html Although published in the Mail (which is allowed) the source is reuters (Washington) which isn't. Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted January 9, 2016 The vast majority of news items are cribbed, collated and published from new agencies, be it Reuters or Associated Press. In the above case it's got a co.uk in the URL and that's good enough for me, no matter it's original source. That the Daily Mail and Guardian etc pursue US/World stories for their own gain is entirely up to them... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,972 Posted January 9, 2016 Another weird yahoo uk sports obit for Michel Delpech in french, this time about his funeral: https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/video/michel-delpech-inhum%C3%A9-%C3%A0-paris-193800625.html To be honest, it was probably the right decision to exclude yahoo, judging by their standards of journalistic rigour. But Delpech might be the first victim of the new rules. I guess, I'll let Spade do the work of finding an indirect obit, as he's probably got more skin in the game and he needs the obit to stay ahead of DDT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spade_Cooley 9,526 Posted January 9, 2016 As said before, I think Delpech is very much a case of "will get the write up when Guardian/Telegraph have a spot for an obit on their pages". He's not a rush obit, but he'll get one. He might even get one of the rare "live obits", if "Wight Is Wight" gets played on Radio 2 at some point and they mention he's dead afterwards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted January 9, 2016 As said before, I think Delpech is very much a case of "will get the write up when Guardian/Telegraph have a spot for an obit on their pages". He's not a rush obit, but he'll get one. He might even get one of the rare "live obits", if "Wight Is Wight" gets played on Radio 2 at some point and they mention he's dead afterwards. No video/audio links unless they're mentioned in the text... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RadGuy 1,614 Posted January 9, 2016 This is my first year, so I'm just wondering, when does TMIB usually get the site launched for the New Year? January 15th-ish? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted January 9, 2016 Here we go then, David Quantick's Showbiz Pals 2k16: 1. Asif, Hassan (captain) 2. Angelil, Rene 3. Brinson, Monty 4. Christie, Errol 5. Crowe, Martin 6. Delpech, Michel 7. Diski, Jenny 8. Edhi, Abdul Sattar 9. Ellis, Bob 10. Esterhazy, Peter 11. Feek, Joey 12. Fekete, Thomas 13. Granger, Kate 14. Haggerty, Dan 15. Halpin, Luke 16. Harrington Jr, Pat 17. Kincaid, Rowena 18. Marks, Howard 19. Mother Angelica 20. Travis, Kris Says he needs a kidney transplant. If it gets down to it, I'll donate the damned thing to win. SC 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted January 9, 2016 Here we go then, David Quantick's Showbiz Pals 2k16: 1. Asif, Hassan (captain) 2. Angelil, Rene 3. Brinson, Monty 4. Christie, Errol 5. Crowe, Martin 6. Delpech, Michel 7. Diski, Jenny 8. Edhi, Abdul Sattar 9. Ellis, Bob 10. Esterhazy, Peter 11. Feek, Joey 12. Fekete, Thomas 13. Granger, Kate 14. Haggerty, Dan 15. Halpin, Luke 16. Harrington Jr, Pat 17. Kincaid, Rowena 18. Marks, Howard 19. Mother Angelica 20. Travis, Kris Says he needs a kidney transplant. If it gets down to it, I'll donate the damned thing to win. SC Hey Spade -- you've a dynamite team, so this name seems out of place, cuz not a medical thing wrong with either I've found. Not sure if this is Luke Halpin the child actor from Flipper, or the bluegrass singer who performs with his wife (think Rory Feek). If it's yet a THIRD Luke Halpin, Please advise -- well, advise those who need to know. Perhaps you are a fan of Flipper reruns on Netflix, or maybe you just like to think about topless underage blonde males stroking a dampened bottlenose. Not that there's anything wrong with that. SC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted January 9, 2016 New Years And Drinks All Night! Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi (Joker) Rene Agelil John Jay Hooker Bonnie Brown Lynne Stewart Rob Ford Kate Granger Peter Esterhazy Thomas Libous Joey Feek Howard MarksGino Odjick Johan Cruyff Thor HansenJoao Havalange Clive James John Rigas Steve La TouretteMartin Crowe Zsa Zsa Gabor You think John Jay Hooker will obit? I'm willing to take a chance on a 27 year old, with that kind of payoff (Andrew Smith). But for a 90+ year old? Well you must be confident. He's a perfect Deathrace, but here, I left him off. Not even sure he will see the NYTimes much less BBC. Will be interesting to see how it plays out. SC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
msc 18,466 Posted January 9, 2016 Unless I'm barking up the wrong tree entirely, it is the Flipper guy, who has a Go Fund Me page for Stage IV cancer. I've no idea what his status is, but with Spade's record in sniffing out terminal cases from completely under the radar I'd have Halpin's obituary ready to print in 2016. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pedro67 232 Posted January 9, 2016 2017 ddp. 3 points for any pick below 60 years old, diagnosed terminal/with Cancer prior to Jan 1st. That'd change the thinking a bit. (...gets coat, dons crash helmet, exits stage left) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
themaninblack 2,112 Posted January 9, 2016 This is my first year, so I'm just wondering, when does TMIB usually get the site launched for the New Year? January 15th-ish? January 17th last year. Probably around that again, unless Plusnet pull the plug of course! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted January 10, 2016 Unless I'm barking up the wrong tree entirely, it is the Flipper guy, who has a Go Fund Me page for Stage IV cancer. I've no idea what his status is, but with Spade's record in sniffing out terminal cases from completely under the radar I'd have Halpin's obituary ready to print in 2016. Ok if so it (cancer etc) didn't pop up whilst Googling around. Only medical anything I found was 1993 lol. I figure there's a reason...but I didn't see it. SC Edit: if you mean this: https://www.gofundme.com/pc62tqxk then let's hope whoever Kathy Kerley (unverified by FB) is legit, as it's the sole mention of Halpin's 'cancer' on the Web. Spade looking good seeing as Kerley's funding page in 3 months has only netted $1100 of the $25000 needed to save his life! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sir Creep 7,070 Posted January 10, 2016 We are about to test Andrew Smith against his obitability. Smith of Feek who dies first? SC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deathray 2,940 Posted January 10, 2016 This is my first year, so I'm just wondering, when does TMIB usually get the site launched for the New Year? January 15th-ish? January 17th last year. Probably around that again, unless Plusnet pull the plug of course! Someone miss the internet bill? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
