Life In Prison

[Sir Creep 7,070]

Walter Cassell, a convicted murderer, died on September 3 at the Montana State Prison in Deer Lodge.

His death followed an extended illness.  Cassell was 67 years old.

He was sentenced in Yellowstone County in 1995 for the crime of deliberate homicide committed with a dangerous weapon.  Cassell was sentenced to 100 years in prison.
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[Joey Russ 7,220]

On 28/11/2018 at 12:37, DevonDeathTrip said:

I see that American serial killer Samuel Little, 78, is trending on Twitter after confessing to having killed ninety women since 1970.

 

I wonder if poor health has been a motivational factor in him deciding to sing like a canary...

I don’t know about his health, but he is now confirmed to be the most prolific serial killer in history.

[Sir Creep 7,070]

12 hours ago, Joey Russ said:

I don’t know about his health, but he is now confirmed to be the most prolific serial killer in history.

Not sure about 'confirmations like this.  Very very unlikely.  Anyone claiming to be so prolific is usually shown to be attention getting.
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[Banana 859]

3 hours ago, Sir Creep said:

Not sure about 'confirmations like this.  Very very unlikely.  Anyone claiming to be so prolific is usually shown to be attention getting.
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The FBI confirmed 50+ of the victims.

[Sir Creep 7,070]

4 hours ago, Banana said:

 

The FBI confirmed 50+ of the victims.

Yeah they did that with David Berkowitz and then recanted once the legends were questioned as fantasized.

[msc 18,437]

Entirely unrelated, but is that child murderer from South America who was meant to have killed over 300 kids still alive? Beast of the Andes or some sort of similar nickname. Notorious about 20 years ago when caught. Must be a decent "good riddance" pick if still alive. Can't mind his name though.

[Spade_Cooley 9,515]

Pedro Lopez? I think he's officially "missing".

[CastAway 488]

On 04/09/2019 at 15:05, Sir Creep said:

Billy Jack Crutsinger, 64, is scheduled to receive a lethal injection Wednesday evening for the 2003 killings of Pearl Magouirk and her 71-year-old daughter Patricia Syren. Authorities say Crutsinger killed the women then stole Syren's car and credit card. He was arrested three days later at a bar in Galveston, more than 300 miles (480 kilometers) away.

 

That means tonight.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/death-row-inmate-final-words-execution-dead-billy-jack-crutsinger-texas-murder-a9092846.html

 

He dead, in case anyone doubted that

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26 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said:

Pedro Lopez? I think he's officially "missing".

 

That's him.

 

Might not even be in jail. Blimey.

[CastAway 488]

26 minutes ago, Spade_Cooley said:

Pedro Lopez? I think he's officially "missing".

 

He's officially missing, and another Colombian child serial killer Luis Garavito (killed 130+ confirmed boys, so in case you were wondering, paedo as well) is scheduled to be released in a year or two because no death penalty + max sentence is 30 years in Colombia.

 

On 08/10/2019 at 08:57, Joey Russ said:

I don’t know about his health, but he is now confirmed to be the most prolific serial killer in history.

 

US history, which is important. There's been a bunch of more prolific guys around the world. And this is based purely on confirmed kills - HH Holmes is supposed to have killed more than this guy, off the top of my head, but that was at the turn of the 1900s, and confirmation was a lot more difficult then.

And no one's considering the 'Angel of Death' types who are medical professionals who whack patients in a way that look like natural deaths and when caught, are usually only confirmed to have a couple of kills because it's so hard to prove with these type of killings.

 

Yes, I've been bingeing a podcast about serial killers lately, why do you ask?

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1 hour ago, CastAway said:

 

He's officially missing, and another Colombian child serial killer Luis Garavito (killed 130+ confirmed boys, so in case you were wondering, paedo as well) is scheduled to be released in a year or two because no death penalty + max sentence is 30 years in Colombia.

 

 

US history, which is important. There's been a bunch of more prolific guys around the world. And this is based purely on confirmed kills - HH Holmes is supposed to have killed more than this guy, off the top of my head, but that was at the turn of the 1900s, and confirmation was a lot more difficult then.

And no one's considering the 'Angel of Death' types who are medical professionals who whack patients in a way that look like natural deaths and when caught, are usually only confirmed to have a couple of kills because it's so hard to prove with these type of killings.

 

Yes, I've been bingeing a podcast about serial killers lately, why do you ask?

 

I vaguely recall (after the fact) hearing about some "not realistic" criticism of an early Brookmyre novel where the killer is a doctor who bumped off 10 patients. This was pre-Shipman.

 

Mind you, I can strongly recall Harold Shipman being interviewed on TV as just someone involved in a death, and attacking the press for intrusion into his private life. Being quite young at the time, it was a right twist ending for me when it turned out hedunnit.

[Spade_Cooley 9,515]

Richard Huckle, nonce, shanked to death aged 33. DDP pick.

 

 

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Convicted of 71 counts of serious sexual assault against children ranging from 6 months to 12 years old. The charges include:

• 14 counts of rape of a child under the age of 12
• 5 counts of digital penetration of a child under the age of 12
• 31 counts of sexual assault against a child under the age of 12
• 6 counts of grooming a child
• 13 counts of taking/making indecent images of children related to the 20,000 images on his laptop
• 1 count of advertising indecent images of children
• 1 count of arranging or facilitating child sex offences.

 

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Hell i was only reading about Huckle a few days ago and thought to myself his life expectancy was low

 

Came much sooner than i thought that one though.

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Yeah, when your own defence lawyer in his summing up calls you "one of the worst paedophiles in British legal history", you've not really got much of an upside.

[Going Underground 74]

Making him do his time at Full Sutton was a death Sentence in itself

 

Not sure why he didn't get shipped to Wakefield.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Going Underground said:

Making him do his time at Full Sutton was a death Sentence in itself

Not sure why he didn't get shipped to Wakefield.

 

Hmmm, perhaps a few others should be moved to Full Sutton.

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I am not usually one to go "ding dong the witch is dead". But when I overheard that this man died on the radio at work and heard what he had done I said "good and I want to give the person/people who killed him a medal".

 

A lot of people who end up in prison have been abused as children in the past so surprised it took that long.

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3 hours ago, Going Underground said:

Making him do his time at Full Sutton was a death Sentence in itself

 

Not sure why he didn't get shipped to Wakefield.

 

 

Curious now.

Why is this so? I mean I know there are different categories and so on, but why is Full Sutton inherently more 'dangerous' than say Wakefield?

[Going Underground 74]

4 hours ago, En Passant said:

Curious now.

Why is this so? I mean I know there are different categories and so on, but why is Full Sutton inherently more 'dangerous' than say Wakefield?

 

HMP Wakefield is a Cat A prison that is designed to house men who have committed serious crimes towards women and children.  Huckle would basically have been doing his time with like-minded individuals.

 

Of course nobody is ever safe in any prison, especially a Cat A, but he would have been infinitely better off In Wakefield as opposed to other Cat A prisons such as HMP Full Sutton and HMP Frankland (Durham) that house some absolute nutters and serious gangsters who would not think twice about killing someone like Huckle.  Or having him killed by someone else.

 

He would almost certainly of been on the protective custody wing at Full Sutton but even some of the grasses and rapists on there would despise Huckle for his crimes and wouldn't hesitate to do him over and get some serious respect within the prison system in the process for taking his scalp

 

Ian Huntley was transferred from Wakefield to Frankland and was immediately stabbed by the same guy who went on to murder another notorious child killer Colin Hatch in none other than...HMP Full Sutton.

 

Looks like the authorities were not prepared to let this particular little weasel do 'easy time' in "Monster Mansion" (Wakefield).

 

As for giving the perpetrator of Huckle's demise a medal, I think we should hold that thought until we see who actually did it.  Someone will almost certainly be charged as he more than likely wants the world to know it was he who offed Huckle.  Wouldn't surprise me if it was all caught on CCTV.  Its probably someone you wouldn't want to have round your house for tea and biscuits that's for sure

 

 

 

 

[CastAway 488]

11 hours ago, En Passant said:

Curious now.

Why is this so? I mean I know there are different categories and so on, but why is Full Sutton inherently more 'dangerous' than say Wakefield?

 

I know balls all about the English prison system, but the Guardian piece on Huckle's death (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/14/paedophile-richard-huckle-found-dead-in-prison) notes that he isn't exactly the first criminal convicted of offences against kids to be murdered in that prison.

 

Last murder wasn't a paedo but a garden variety child killer (Colin Hatch) it seems like (and that's a contradiction in itself isn't it?), and he was killed by a diagnosed psychopath who was imprisoned for life for armed robbery. Said psychopath also attempted to kill another guy (Ian Huntley), who was also a child murderer, and admitted it was because he had a "particular hatred against child killers," said crimes against kids "did his head in" and expressed regret that the second guy survived.

 

Now, I'm not exactly mourning their deaths all around, just saying that it doesn't seem like that the prison you want to go to if you've committed crimes against kids. I assume it would be even worse given this wasn't just simple murder, but that the guy in question was a paedo. And had a taste for babies as opposed to, say, 15 year olds (both vile, but I suspect one would play better than the other in prison, and it weren't Huckle's tastes).

[En Passant 3,741]

Naturally I'm as aware as anyone else who reads the news that an inmate labelled as a 'nonce' is at risk of this sort of reprisal and the more abhorrent their crimes presumably the more at risk. The part I was curious about was the specific labelling of Full Sutton as a 'death sentence' compared to Wakefield, which I was unaware had the label 'Monster Mansion' (or a reputation leading to such an appellation).

 

Clearly since Hatch and Huckle are now dead and Huntley could have been, the level of segregation in these non-specialised prisons (ie. a wing) is insufficient to ensure their safety.

Something similar happened to Peter Sutcliffe on more than one occasion and his crimes were not against children. It's not my place to suggest that all nonces (for want of a better catch all phrase) should be located in the same prison, but it does seem obvious as Going Underground alludes that locating them all in one place would lead to less such attacks. I just searched for Ian Watkins as the other obvious example and it appears he is indeed at Wakefield.

 

I'm not mourning the losses either, what they did is despicable and I struggle to even contemplate the mindset intellectually never mind the almost physical revulsion I feel emotionally, but the question was not about what I think or feel about it, rather how our prison allocation system appears to be almost condoning vigilante justice in such cases, however of course that's a statement made without knowing all the circumstances.

 

Oh, and don't be a nonce with an H surname....

[Going Underground 74]

Just alluding to my earlier post.  I am already reading that Huckle's (alleged) murderer is an inmate who has been indefinitely detained since the attempted rape of an elderly woman in 2009 when he was 18.

 

If true then as i suspected the guy is still a nasty piece of work but infinitely more tolerated in the system than any prisoner convicted of crimes involving children.

 

This rapist would also have been on the protective custody wing.  Lets face it, they don't come much worse than this Huckle character do they.  He was a walking dead man.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Going Underground said:

Just alluding to my earlier post.  I am already reading that Huckle's (alleged) murderer is an inmate who has been indefinitely detained since the attempted rape of an elderly woman in 2009 when he was 18.

 

If true then as i suspected the guy is still a nasty piece of work but infinitely more tolerated in the system than any prisoner convicted of crimes involving children.

 

This rapist would also have been on the protective custody wing.  Lets face it, they don't come much worse than this Huckle character do they.  He was a walking dead man.

 

 

 

 

So, it's cleared a bunk in Full Sutton

 

Ian Watkins...come on down!!!

[Skinny kiltrunner 553]

Ivan Milat is back in ICU.  Maybe this is it this time?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7576969/amp/Terminally-ill-backpacker-killer-Ivan-Milat-moved-intensive-care-unit.html

[Skinny kiltrunner 553]

Ivan Milat.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7585785/Ivan-Milats-family-prepare-say-goodbyes-terminally-ill-serial-killer-Sydney-hospital.html