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Apologies D Listers.

 

Was widely reported this morning.

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Never let it be said we don't cover all nationalities here. Commins Menapi, apparently the greatest ever footballer from the Solomon Islands, has died aged 40. He scored 27 goals for his country including two in a historic 2-2 draw with Australia in the 2004 OFC Nations Cup. However, his legacy should probably be this reducer of a tackle from a New Zealand Football Championship game between Waitakere United and Auckland City:

 

 

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A former Chief Scout for Rangers, Chelsea and Liverpool, Harry Dunn, dead at 84.

 

Was arrested earlier in the year over historical sexual abuse claims, and was due to stand trial shortly.

 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-42055555

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So anyone else see Liverpool's capitulation last night? I assume TMIB wont forget it in a hurry. Anyhow, Sevilla came from 0-3 down to draw in the second half. What was the Sevilla manager, Eduardo Berizzo's stirring half time team talk?

 

Announcing his diagnosis with malignant adenocarcinoma, that's what.

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31 minutes ago, msc said:

So anyone else see Liverpool's capitulation last night? I assume TMIB wont forget it in a hurry. Anyhow, Sevilla came from 0-3 down to draw in the second half. What was the Sevilla manager, Eduardo Berizzo's stirring half time team talk?

 

Announcing his diagnosis with malignant adenocarcinoma, that's what.

Cunt would do it then, wouldn't he?

 

I never ever want to see Liverpool face that fucking team ever again as long as I live. They're Wimbledon '88, Arsenal '89 and Fergie's United in '99 in triplicate and a cherry on top. 

 

It would have helped matters enormously if Klopp hadn't insisted on playing that arch traitor the Thal Spy, Ronson Moreno again....

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^  Could have been worse if Liverpool hadn't suddenly decided to score from corners!

 

Had much the same issue with Thistle and Rangers, mind you. Of course, Rangers died, but then they've been trying to do an unconvincing Dracula impression for the last few years, and they still get all the contentious ref decisions/fluke deflected injury time winners etc etc.

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Tipping up old huns #42867

 

Bobby Brown at 94 is the oldest former player.

 

Was at the game on Saturday, apparently sounded sharp, but its only a matter of Time....

 

 

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On 11/27/2014 at 11:25, Dr. Zorders said:

I'm actually finding this a bit annoying. Was he really that great? He's definitely not the best black footballer I've ever seen that was Tony Fuckin Yeboah, thanks.

 

He's probably not gonna die but they're gonna report every time he's in hospital over the next decade until he does.....

Ex-Black Star striker, Tony Yeboah has denied rumours making rounds on Social Media that he is dead.

He has also warned those spreading such false news to desist from it.

Reports went viral on Social Media late Monday afternoon, claiming that the ex- Frankfurt, Leeds United striker had died in London after suffering multiple seizures.

The story of his passing-on first appeared on http://houstonchronicle-tv.com, a US based website.
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Well, i should look next time. 

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On 11/22/2017 at 05:23, charon said:

Tipping up old huns #42867

 

Bobby Brown at 94 is the oldest former player.

 

Was at the game on Saturday, apparently sounded sharp, but its only a matter of Time....

 

 

Every Little Step he makes may be the last one

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Former Malaysia coach and Chelsea defender Allan Harris has died aged 74. He was also El Tel's assistant at QPR, Barcelona and Spurs, and was the older brother of Ron.

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Long time Marcelo Bielsa assistant, Luis Bonini, dead.

 

Bielsa suspended for going to visit him on deathbed.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4984886/luis-bonini-lille-marcelo-bielsa-suspended-chile-cancer/

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54 minutes ago, charon said:

Long time Marcelo Bielsa assistant, Luis Bonini, dead.

 

Bielsa suspended for going to visit him on deathbed.

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4984886/luis-bonini-lille-marcelo-bielsa-suspended-chile-cancer/

What the fuck?

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Dermot Drummy, former Chelsea coach and manager of Crawley Town (2016-2017), has died aged 56.

 

Edit: Daily Mirror, The Sun obituaries. 

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Turns out George Haigh (b. June 1915) isn't the oldest surviving professional footballer. Arthur Smith (b. May 1915) is.

Article from April 2017 about Smith here.

So in terms of British players I guess it looks like

1) Arthur Smith (b. May 1915) Bury, Leicester City
2) George Haigh (b. June 1915) Stockport County, Rochdale, Lancaster City
3) Ivor Broadis (b. Dec 1922) Carlisle, Sunderland, Man City, Newcastle, Queen of the South

Bizarrely I can't find any players alive in between. Surely somebody must know of some?

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There used to be lots of online databases that question could be looked up on - where have they all gone to?

 

 

Question added to avoid the fact the person I thought might fit Ulitzer's question, on second looks, has actually been dead for 17 years...

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Second World War would've impacted on football careers around then.

 

Bobby Brown pictured a page ago, is 19/3/23 I believe.

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Colin Collindridge (b. 15 Nov 1920), played 142 games for Sheffield United either side of WW2

Alf Patrick (b. 25 Sep 1921), 228 games for York City

 

There's a few others that Wikipedia lists as "living English footballers", but with no evidence.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Nuttall

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Anderson_(footballer,_born_1916)

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Thanks for the pointers everyone. Will add as I find more:

LIVING

Arthur Smith (b. May 1915) Bury, Leicester City
Cyril Lawrence (b. Jun 1920) Rochdale, Wrexham
Dudley Kernick (b. Aug 1921) Torquay United, Northampton Town, Birmingham City
Alf Patrick (b. Sep 1921) York City, Scarborough
Bobby Brown (b. Mar 1923) Queen's Park, Rangers, Falkirk
Reg Harrison (b. May 1923) Derby County, Boston United, Long Eaton United
Bert Mozley (b. Sep 1923) Derby County
Jack Butchart (b. c. 1923) Dundee United
Tom Docherty (b. 15 Apr 1924) Norwich City, Lincoln City, Reading, Newport County
Albert Bateman (b. 13 Jun 1924) Huddersfield Town
Tony Collins (b. Mar 1926) Sheffield Wednesday, York City, Watford, Norwich City, Torquay United, Crystal Palace, Rochdale
Doug Cowie (b. May 1926) Dundee, Greenock Morton
Bill Holmes (b. Oct 1926) Wolverhampton Wanderers, Doncaster Rovers, Morecambe, Blackburn Rovers, Bradford City
Jock Aird (b. Dec 1926) Burnley
Alex Kiddie (b. Apr 1927) Celtic, Aberdeen, Falkirk, Dundee, Arbroath
Gordon Astall (b. Sep 1927) Plymouth Argyle, Birmingham City, Torquay United
Frank O'Farrell (b. Oct 1927) West Ham United, Preston North End, Weymouth
Tommy Docherty (b. Apr 1928) Celtic, Preston North End, Arsenal, Chelsea
Derek Ufton (b. May 1928) Charlton Athletic
Johnny Wheeler (b. July 1928) Tranmere Rovers, Bolton Wanderers, Liverpool, New Brighton
Ron Baynham (b. June 1929) Worcester City, Luton Town
Roy Killin (b. July 1929) Manchester United, Lincoln City, Peterborough United
Eddie McLaren (b. 8 Sep 1929) Reading
Terry Robinson (b. Nov 1929) Brentford, Northampton Town, Hendon
Tommy Banks (b. Nov 1929) Bolton Wanderers, Altrincham, Bangor City

POSSIBLY LIVING

Thomas Anderson (b. 1916) Grimsby Town
Jack Beasley (b. 1916) Birmingham, Torquey United, Worcester City
Reg Pugh (b. July 1917) Cardiff City
George Stewart (b. Oct 1920) Hamilton Academical, Brentford, QPR, Shrewsbury Town
Roy Houghton (b. Mar 1921) Notts County, Peterborough United
Tommy Sinclair (b. Oct 1921) Bolton Wanderers, Gainsborough Trinity, Aldershot, Brentford, Bradford City
Eric Hampson (b. Nov 1921) Stoke City
Trevor Churchill (b. 20 Nov 1923) Rochdale, Reading, Swindon Town
Charlie Chase (b. Jan 1924) Crystal Palace, Watford
Jimmy Walker (b. 1925) Heart of Midlothian, Partick Thistle, Third Lanark
Thomas Stewart (b. Mar 1926) Queen's Park, Romford
John Boyd (b. Sep 1926) Queen's Park, Aberdeen, East Fife
Bernard Kelly (b. 21 Aug 1928) Brentford
Alex Forsyth (b. Sep 1928) Albion Rovers, Darlington, East Stirlingshire

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Alex Kiddie (b. April 1927) Aberdeen, Falkirk, Arbroath can be added to the still living.

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8 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Thanks for the pointers everyone. Will add as I find more:

LIVING

1) Arthur Smith (b. May 1915) Bury, Leicester City
2) George Haigh (b. June 1915) Stockport County, Rochdale, Lancaster City
3) Colin Collindridge (b. Nov 1920) Rotherham United, Sheffield United, Nottingham Forest, Coventry City, Bath City
4) Tommy Best (b. Dec 1920) Chester, Cardiff City, QPR, Hereford United
5) Arthur Turner (b. Jan 1921) Charlton Athletic, Colchester United, Headington United
6) Dudley Kernick (b. Aug 1921) Torquay United, Northampton Town, Birmingham City
7) Alf Patrick (b. Sep 1921) York City, Scarborough
8) Ivor Broadis (b. Dec 1922) Carlisle, Sunderland, Man City, Newcastle, Queen of the South
9) Bobby Brown (b. Mar 1923) Queen's Park, Rangers, Falkirk
10) Reg Harrison (b. May 1923) Derby County, Boston United, Long Eaton United
11) Stan Clements (b. June 1923) Southampton
12) Roy Bentley (b. May 1924) Bristol City, Newcastle United, Chelsea, Fulham, QPR
13) John Ball (b. Mar 1925) Wigan Athletic, Man United, Bolton Wanderers
14) Ted Bennett (b. Aug 1925) Southall, QPR, Watford, Gravesend & Northfleet
15) Tony Collins (b. Mar 1926) Sheffield Wednesday, York City, Watford, Norwich City, Torquay United, Crystal Palace, Rochdale
16) Doug Cowie (b. May 1926) Dundee, Greenock Morton
17) Bill Holmes (b. Oct 1926) Wolverhampton Wanderers, Doncaster Rovers, Morecambe, Blackburn Rovers, Bradford City
18) Alex Kiddie (b. Apr 1927) Celtic, Aberdeen, Falkirk, Dundee, Arbroath
19) Ted Burgin (b. Apr 1927) Sheffield United, Doncaster Rovers, Leeds United, Rochdale, Glossop North End
20) Bill Slater (b. Apr 1927) Blackpool, Brentford, Wolverhampton Wanderers
21) Frank O'Farrell (b. Oct 1927) West Ham United, Preston North End, Weymouth
22) Derek Saunders (b. Jan 1928) Chelsea
23) Terry Robinson (b. Nov 1929) Brentford, Northampton Town, Hendon

POSSIBLY LIVING

Thomas Anderson (b. 1916) Grimsby Town
John Beasley (b. 1916) Birmingham, Torquey United, Worcester City
Denis Lindsay (b. 1916) Huddersfield Town
Reg Pugh (b. July 1917) Cardiff City
John Easdale (b. Jan 1919) Liverpool, Stockport County
Graham Bailey (b. Mar 1920) Huddersfield Town, Sheffield United
Joe Johnson (b. Sep 1920) Rangers, Lincoln City, Workington, Elgin City
George Stewart (b. Oct 1920) Hamilton Academical, Brentford, QPR, Shrewsbury Town
Billy Nuttall (b. Dec 1920) Preston North End, Barrow
Tommy Sinclair (b. Oct 1921) Bolton Wanderers, Gainsborough Trinity, Aldershot, Brentford, Bradford City
Alan Smith (b. Oct 1921) Arsenal, Brentford
Eric Hampson (b. Nov 1921) Stoke City
Charlie Chase (b. Jan 1924) Crystal Palace, Watford
Thomas Stewart (b. Mar 1926) Queen's Park, Romford
John Boyd (b. Sep 1926) Queen's Park, Aberdeen, East Fife

 

 

This is awesome work. So - pardon my ignorance here - who's the oldest former international? Broadis played for England. He was ill - as in rumoured to be unwell - a few years ago which I posted here but appears to have recovered pretty well.

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From what I can see with a quick(ish) glance, some of the oldest living home nations international footballers. Not convinced some of those Irish/Scots are still going, and there must be gaps in the Welsh list. But it is what it is.

 

Scottish

1.       Bobby Brown – 19^th March 1923

2.       Jimmy Walker - 1925   DIED IN 2000

3.       Doug Cowie – 1^st May 1926

4.       Jock Aird – 18^th December 1926

5.       Tommy Docherty – 24^th April 1928

6.       Ian McMillan – 18^th March 1931

7.       John Grant – 16^th June 1931

8.       Mick Cullen – 3^rd July 1931

9.       David Mathers – 23^rd October 1931

10.   Campbell Forsyth – 5^th May 1934

11.   Eric Caldow – 14^th May 1934

12.   Jimmy Millar – 20^th November 1934

13.   Lawrie Leslie – 17^th March 1935

14.   Eddie Connachan – 27^th August 1935

15.   David Holt – 3^rd January 1936

16.   Pat Quinn – 26^th April 1936

17.   George Herd – 6^th May 1936

18.   George Mulhall – 8^th May 1936

19.   Ralph Brand – 8^th December 1936

20.   Tommy Ewing – 2^nd May 1937

21.   Duncan MacKay – 14^th July 1937

22.   Willie Bell – 3^rd September 1937

23.   Jackie Plenderleith – 6^th October 1937

24.   Andy Weir – 15^th November 1937

25.   Ron Yeats – 15^th November 1937

26.   Bertie Auld – 23^rd March 1938

27.   Ian St John – 7^th June 1938

28.   Dave Gibson – 23^rd September 1938

29.   Alan Gilzean – 22^nd October 1938

30.   Johnny MacLeod – 23^rd November 1938

31.   Frank Haffey – 28^th November 1938

32.   Davie Wilson – 10^th January 1939

33.   Pat Crerand – 19^th February 1939

34.   Ian Ure – 7^th December 1939

35.   Frank McLintock – 28^th December 1939

 

 

Welsh

1.       Des Palmer – 23^rd September 1931

2.       Terry Medwin – 25^th September 1932

3.       Alan Harrington – 17^th November 1933

4.       Cyril Lea – 5^th August 1934

5.       Colin Baker – 18^th December 1934

6.       Cliff Jones – 7^th February 1935

7.       Vic Rouse – 16^th March 1936

8.       Graham Williams (Everton/Swansea) – 31^st December 1936

9.       Trevor Edwards – 24^th January 1937

10.   Mel Nurse – 11^th October 1937

11.   Dave Hollins – 4^th February 1938

12.   Graham Williams (West Brom) – 2^nd April 1938

13.   Mal Lucas – 7^th October 1938

14.   Frank Rankmore – 21^st July 1939

 

 

English

1.       Ivor Broadis – 18^th December 1922

2.       Bert Mozley – 23^rd September 1923

3.       Bill Slater – 29^th April 1927

4.       Gordon Astall – 22^nd September 1927

5.       Derek Ufton – 31^st May 1928

6.       Johnny Wheeler – 26^th July 1928

7.       Ron Baynham – 10^th June 1929

8.       Tommy Banks – 10^th November 1929

9.       Doug Holden – 28^th September 1930

10.   Colin McDonald – 15^th October 1930

11.   Brian Pilkington – 12^th February 1933

12.   Stan Anderson – 27^th February 1933

13.   Colin Grainger – 10^th June 1933

14.   Albert Quixall – 9^th August 1933

15.   Ken Brown – 16^th February 1934

16.   Maurice Norman – 8^th May 1934

17.   Bryan Douglas – 27^th May 1934

18.   Ron Flowers – 28^th July 1934

19.   Frank Blunstone – 17^th October 1934

20.   Ray Wilson – 17^th December 1934

21.   Jack Charlton – 8^th May 1935

22.   Jimmy Armfield – 21^st September 1935

23.   Ray Crawford – 13^th July 1936

24.   George Eastham – 23^rd September 1936

25.   Gerald Young – 1^st October 1936

26.   Peter Swan – 8^th October 1936

27.   Tony Waiters – 1^st February 1937

28.   Gordon Milne – 29^th March 1937

29.   Tony Kay – 13^th May 1937

30.   Bobby Charlton – 11^th October 1937

31.   Wilf McGuinness – 25^th October 1937

32.   Alan Peacock – 29^th October 1937

33.   Jimmy Melia – 1^st November 1937

34.   Gordon Banks – 30^th December 1937

35.   Mike Hellawell – 30^th June 1938

36.   Roger Hunt – 20^th July 1938

37.   John Angus – 2^nd September 1938

38.   Derek Temple – 13^th November 1938

39.   Terry Paine – 23^rd March 1939

40.   Edwin Holliday – 17^th June 1939

41.   Frank Wignall – 21^st August 1939

42.   George Cohen – 22^nd October 1939

43.   Tony Allen – 27^th November 1939

 

 

N Irish

1.       Frank McCourt – 9^th December 1925

2.       Tommy Forde – 14^th March 1931

3.       Billy Bingham – 5^th August 1931

4.       Jimmy Shields – 26^th September 1931

5.       Jimmy McIlroy – 25^th October 1931

6.       Jimmy Walker – 29^th March 1932

7.       Harry Gregg – 27^th October 1932

8.       Peter McParland – 25^th April 1934

9.       Hugh Barr – 17^th May 1935

10.   Billy McCullough – 27^th July 1935

11.   Jimmy Hill – 31^st October 1935

12.   Billy Humphries – 8^th June 1936

13.   Sammy Wilson (Falkirk) – 1937

14.   Victor Hunter (Derry) - 1937

15.   Albert Campbell – 4^th January 1938

16.   Johnny Crossan – 29^th November 1938

17.   Eddie Magill – 17^th May 1939

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Here's all the still-living Italian footballers I could find born before 1923:

 

Francesco Cergoli - 22nd October 1921 (Juventus, Atalanta, Triestina, also managed Triestina)

Corrado Contin - 7 January 1922 (Roma)

Franco Pian - 16 February 1922 (Inter, Legnano)

Luigi Bosco - 20 March 1922 (Juventus and was imprisoned at Nuremburg)

Osvaldo Fattori - 22nd June 1922 (Inter, Sampdoria, 4 caps for Italy)

Armando Tre Re - 22nd June 1922 (Roma)
 

Might be alive: 

Omero Carmellini 28th January 1921 (three games for Roma)

Vittorio Casaretti 24th October 1922 (Inter when they were renamed Ambrosiana under Mussolini)

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Impressive listage.

 

One name stands out for me - Tommy Docherty is still alive at 89 - must be worth a punt soon and even possibly for main Death List?

 

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I dont really want to suggest him as he is an absoloute hero, but Jim McLean is 80 years old and a long time dementia sufferer.  He has been in a home for at least about 5 years