Dead Fidel Castro

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

 

[Clipped] Leave the Yanks out of the argument, he had decades to stand down and have free elections if he had truly cared about his people, he alone could have had the embargo lifted.

There is no case to make for him, none whatsoever, he was a stubborn, nasty, vindictive arsehole that set out to free the Cuban people only to make them his prisoner with his fucked up ideology.

Oh, how naïve you Westerners can get. Stand down to have free elections... and have a puppet regime installed by the CIA that's just as oppressive, ugly and undemocratic. You could've noticed them everywhere in Latin America from Pinochet's Chile to the Contras in Nicaragua.

 

It might be hard to justify his anti-American stance when you examine his actions through your biassed 21st century prespective, but the Cold War was a bit different. At that time, the Americans clearly preferred any loyal and anti-communist dictator to any left-leaning democrat (note that not all of these were hardline Stalinist commies).

 

Of course, Castro was no saint, but nor was Nixon or Kissinger, and you have to analyze their behaviour in a Cold War context in order to make sense of what they did to Latin American peoples.

 

And worth adding Nixon didn't mind Communists if they were Chinese.

[Joey Russ 7,220]

While I personally don't like Castro, I can say he's a great politician. He did his job well. I feel it's the same as Hitler, I don't like him, especially what he did to the Jews, but if I get asked if he was a great politician, I have to say yes. He did his job well in the 30s before he became a true monster.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

 

[Clipped] Leave the Yanks out of the argument, he had decades to stand down and have free elections if he had truly cared about his people, he alone could have had the embargo lifted.

There is no case to make for him, none whatsoever, he was a stubborn, nasty, vindictive arsehole that set out to free the Cuban people only to make them his prisoner with his fucked up ideology.

Oh, how naïve you Westerners can get. Stand down to have free elections... and have a puppet regime installed by the CIA that's just as oppressive, ugly and undemocratic. You could've noticed them everywhere in Latin America from Pinochet's Chile to the Contras in Nicaragua.

 

It might be hard to justify his anti-American stance when you examine his actions through your biassed 21st century prespective, but the Cold War was a bit different. At that time, the Americans clearly preferred any loyal and anti-communist dictator to any left-leaning democrat (note that not all of these were hardline Stalinist commies).

 

Of course, Castro was no saint, but nor was Nixon or Kissinger, and you have to analyze their behaviour in a Cold War context in order to make sense of what they did to Latin American peoples.

 

 

 

[Clipped] Leave the Yanks out of the argument, he had decades to stand down and have free elections if he had truly cared about his people, he alone could have had the embargo lifted.

There is no case to make for him, none whatsoever, he was a stubborn, nasty, vindictive arsehole that set out to free the Cuban people only to make them his prisoner with his fucked up ideology.

Oh, how naïve you Westerners can get. Stand down to have free elections... and have a puppet regime installed by the CIA that's just as oppressive, ugly and undemocratic. You could've noticed them everywhere in Latin America from Pinochet's Chile to the Contras in Nicaragua.

 

It might be hard to justify his anti-American stance when you examine his actions through your biassed 21st century prespective, but the Cold War was a bit different. At that time, the Americans clearly preferred any loyal and anti-communist dictator to any left-leaning democrat (note that not all of these were hardline Stalinist commies).

 

Of course, Castro was no saint, but nor was Nixon or Kissinger, and you have to analyze their behaviour in a Cold War context in order to make sense of what they did to Latin American peoples.

 

Pinochet wasn't elected by the people Nixon was.

This is the exact type of shite we here from modern day anarchists and supporters of 'Momentum' who all want to overthrown 'corrupt' Government and give the power back to the people even though we all know, if successful, they wont.

 

So Castro was saving his people from the will and control of the US? Maybe he was but who the f**k told him that it was his decision and his alone to decide the fate of Cuba? Not the people.

That's what matters, both of you, not once have mentioned them, you have spouted on about 'Cuba' the Cold war, the CIA and everything else that leads to your conclusions that Castro was the better, logical or enevitable choice to lead that Island until he died.

Im saying he wasn't, Im saying that humans have the right to make choices about who governs them.

Its not an assumption of their naivety that they may only be choosing between puppet leaders and or corrupt administrations, effing hell British and American Politics is awash with funny handshakes, brown envelopes and the stench of corruption BUT we the people are still able to choose which corrupt bastards run the country.

That's the difference, that's the detail.

[YoungWillz 21,018]

My dad still to this day visibly shudders when talking about him and the near mutually assured nuclear destruction of the planet that almost came.

[Sean 6,309]

I never liked him.An interesting guy but a self centred violent dictator!

[Deathray 2,940]

This is almost as fun/divisive as the Thatcher thread....

[RadGuy 1,614]

Well, when I was lying in bed this morning (awake but too lazy to move), I was thinking about how the Deathlist might not reach double-digits, and how I kind of didn't think they deserved too. I had already assumed that they wouldn't get a hit in November, but I kept telling myself "you shouldn't say that, cause they just might".

 

Sure enough they did. I went on Facebook and the first post I saw was Polandball sharing a link to a BBC article on Castro's dead with the caption "O kurwa!!!"

 

Wow, 9 hits. Either way, no matter how few hits we get, you can't say our hits were lame this year. We got Nancy Reagan, Muhammad Ali, Joao Havelange, Bhumibol Adulyadej, and now Fidel Castro. Some of these people we thought would never die!

 

Anyways, I don't think Fidel Castro is the biggest death of the year. But he probably is the most important Deathlist hit.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

 

 

 

[Clipped] Leave the Yanks out of the argument, he had decades to stand down and have free elections if he had truly cared about his people, he alone could have had the embargo lifted.

There is no case to make for him, none whatsoever, he was a stubborn, nasty, vindictive arsehole that set out to free the Cuban people only to make them his prisoner with his fucked up ideology.

Oh, how naïve you Westerners can get. Stand down to have free elections... and have a puppet regime installed by the CIA that's just as oppressive, ugly and undemocratic. You could've noticed them everywhere in Latin America from Pinochet's Chile to the Contras in Nicaragua.

 

It might be hard to justify his anti-American stance when you examine his actions through your biassed 21st century prespective, but the Cold War was a bit different. At that time, the Americans clearly preferred any loyal and anti-communist dictator to any left-leaning democrat (note that not all of these were hardline Stalinist commies).

 

Of course, Castro was no saint, but nor was Nixon or Kissinger, and you have to analyze their behaviour in a Cold War context in order to make sense of what they did to Latin American peoples.

 

[Clipped] Leave the Yanks out of the argument, he had decades to stand down and have free elections if he had truly cared about his people, he alone could have had the embargo lifted.

There is no case to make for him, none whatsoever, he was a stubborn, nasty, vindictive arsehole that set out to free the Cuban people only to make them his prisoner with his fucked up ideology.

Oh, how naïve you Westerners can get. Stand down to have free elections... and have a puppet regime installed by the CIA that's just as oppressive, ugly and undemocratic. You could've noticed them everywhere in Latin America from Pinochet's Chile to the Contras in Nicaragua.

 

It might be hard to justify his anti-American stance when you examine his actions through your biassed 21st century prespective, but the Cold War was a bit different. At that time, the Americans clearly preferred any loyal and anti-communist dictator to any left-leaning democrat (note that not all of these were hardline Stalinist commies).

 

Of course, Castro was no saint, but nor was Nixon or Kissinger, and you have to analyze their behaviour in a Cold War context in order to make sense of what they did to Latin American peoples.

Pinochet wasn't elected by the people Nixon was.

This is the exact type of shite we here from modern day anarchists and supporters of 'Momentum' who all want to overthrown 'corrupt' Government and give the power back to the people even though we all know, if successful, they wont.

 

So Castro was saving his people from the will and control of the US? Maybe he was but who the f**k told him that it was his decision and his alone to decide the fate of Cuba? Not the people.

That's what matters, both of you, not once have mentioned them, you have spouted on about 'Cuba' the Cold war, the CIA and everything else that leads to your conclusions that Castro was the better, logical or enevitable choice to lead that Island until he died.

Im saying he wasn't, Im saying that humans have the right to make choices about who governs them.

Its not an assumption of their naivety that they may only be choosing between puppet leaders and or corrupt administrations, effing hell British and American Politics is awash with funny handshakes, brown envelopes and the stench of corruption BUT we the people are still able to choose which corrupt bastards run the country.

That's the difference, that's the detail.

Before Castro no democracy. After Castro no democracy + hospitals.

[Predictor 1,018]

 

 

 

[Clipped] Leave the Yanks out of the argument, he had decades to stand down and have free elections if he had truly cared about his people, he alone could have had the embargo lifted.

There is no case to make for him, none whatsoever, he was a stubborn, nasty, vindictive arsehole that set out to free the Cuban people only to make them his prisoner with his fucked up ideology.

Oh, how naïve you Westerners can get. Stand down to have free elections... and have a puppet regime installed by the CIA that's just as oppressive, ugly and undemocratic. You could've noticed them everywhere in Latin America from Pinochet's Chile to the Contras in Nicaragua.

 

It might be hard to justify his anti-American stance when you examine his actions through your biassed 21st century prespective, but the Cold War was a bit different. At that time, the Americans clearly preferred any loyal and anti-communist dictator to any left-leaning democrat (note that not all of these were hardline Stalinist commies).

 

Of course, Castro was no saint, but nor was Nixon or Kissinger, and you have to analyze their behaviour in a Cold War context in order to make sense of what they did to Latin American peoples.

 

[Clipped] Leave the Yanks out of the argument, he had decades to stand down and have free elections if he had truly cared about his people, he alone could have had the embargo lifted.

There is no case to make for him, none whatsoever, he was a stubborn, nasty, vindictive arsehole that set out to free the Cuban people only to make them his prisoner with his fucked up ideology.

Oh, how naïve you Westerners can get. Stand down to have free elections... and have a puppet regime installed by the CIA that's just as oppressive, ugly and undemocratic. You could've noticed them everywhere in Latin America from Pinochet's Chile to the Contras in Nicaragua.

 

It might be hard to justify his anti-American stance when you examine his actions through your biassed 21st century prespective, but the Cold War was a bit different. At that time, the Americans clearly preferred any loyal and anti-communist dictator to any left-leaning democrat (note that not all of these were hardline Stalinist commies).

 

Of course, Castro was no saint, but nor was Nixon or Kissinger, and you have to analyze their behaviour in a Cold War context in order to make sense of what they did to Latin American peoples.

Pinochet wasn't elected by the people Nixon was.

This is the exact type of shite we here from modern day anarchists and supporters of 'Momentum' who all want to overthrown 'corrupt' Government and give the power back to the people even though we all know, if successful, they wont.

 

So Castro was saving his people from the will and control of the US? Maybe he was but who the f**k told him that it was his decision and his alone to decide the fate of Cuba? Not the people.

That's what matters, both of you, not once have mentioned them, you have spouted on about 'Cuba' the Cold war, the CIA and everything else that leads to your conclusions that Castro was the better, logical or enevitable choice to lead that Island until he died.

Im saying he wasn't, Im saying that humans have the right to make choices about who governs them.

Its not an assumption of their naivety that they may only be choosing between puppet leaders and or corrupt administrations, effing hell British and American Politics is awash with funny handshakes, brown envelopes and the stench of corruption BUT we the people are still able to choose which corrupt bastards run the country.

That's the difference, that's the detail.

Before Castro no democracy. After Castro no democracy + hospitals.

 

In theory, benevolent dictatorships could work for the greater good of a nation, but I think that Castro could have done a much better job being an enlightened despot than he did. The truth is that in practice, people who seek (and gain) absolute power tend to have traits such as megalomania, paranoia and greed.

 

Castro having been better than his predecessor Batista might be correct, but surely the Cuban people deserved to have the bar set higher up than "better than Batista"?

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

 

 

 

 

 

[Clipped] Leave the Yanks out of the argument, he had decades to stand down and have free elections if he had truly cared about his people, he alone could have had the embargo lifted.

There is no case to make for him, none whatsoever, he was a stubborn, nasty, vindictive arsehole that set out to free the Cuban people only to make them his prisoner with his fucked up ideology.

Oh, how naïve you Westerners can get. Stand down to have free elections... and have a puppet regime installed by the CIA that's just as oppressive, ugly and undemocratic. You could've noticed them everywhere in Latin America from Pinochet's Chile to the Contras in Nicaragua.

 

It might be hard to justify his anti-American stance when you examine his actions through your biassed 21st century prespective, but the Cold War was a bit different. At that time, the Americans clearly preferred any loyal and anti-communist dictator to any left-leaning democrat (note that not all of these were hardline Stalinist commies).

 

Of course, Castro was no saint, but nor was Nixon or Kissinger, and you have to analyze their behaviour in a Cold War context in order to make sense of what they did to Latin American peoples.

 

[Clipped] Leave the Yanks out of the argument, he had decades to stand down and have free elections if he had truly cared about his people, he alone could have had the embargo lifted.

There is no case to make for him, none whatsoever, he was a stubborn, nasty, vindictive arsehole that set out to free the Cuban people only to make them his prisoner with his fucked up ideology.

Oh, how naïve you Westerners can get. Stand down to have free elections... and have a puppet regime installed by the CIA that's just as oppressive, ugly and undemocratic. You could've noticed them everywhere in Latin America from Pinochet's Chile to the Contras in Nicaragua.

 

It might be hard to justify his anti-American stance when you examine his actions through your biassed 21st century prespective, but the Cold War was a bit different. At that time, the Americans clearly preferred any loyal and anti-communist dictator to any left-leaning democrat (note that not all of these were hardline Stalinist commies).

 

Of course, Castro was no saint, but nor was Nixon or Kissinger, and you have to analyze their behaviour in a Cold War context in order to make sense of what they did to Latin American peoples.

Pinochet wasn't elected by the people Nixon was.

This is the exact type of shite we here from modern day anarchists and supporters of 'Momentum' who all want to overthrown 'corrupt' Government and give the power back to the people even though we all know, if successful, they wont.

 

So Castro was saving his people from the will and control of the US? Maybe he was but who the f**k told him that it was his decision and his alone to decide the fate of Cuba? Not the people.

That's what matters, both of you, not once have mentioned them, you have spouted on about 'Cuba' the Cold war, the CIA and everything else that leads to your conclusions that Castro was the better, logical or enevitable choice to lead that Island until he died.

Im saying he wasn't, Im saying that humans have the right to make choices about who governs them.

Its not an assumption of their naivety that they may only be choosing between puppet leaders and or corrupt administrations, effing hell British and American Politics is awash with funny handshakes, brown envelopes and the stench of corruption BUT we the people are still able to choose which corrupt bastards run the country.

That's the difference, that's the detail.

Before Castro no democracy. After Castro no democracy + hospitals.

In theory, benevolent dictatorships could work for the greater good of a nation, but I think that Castro could have done a much better job being an enlightened despot than he did. The truth is that in practice, people who seek (and gain) absolute power tend to have traits such as megalomania, paranoia and greed.

 

Castro having been better than his predecessor Batista might be correct, but surely the Cuban people deserved to have the bar set higher up than "better than Batista"?

You can't run revolutions like the apprentice. But whilst we're talking comparisons; would you rather be a starving voter in Zimbabwe or a literate, healthy non -voting Cuban?

[Deathray 2,940]

Whenever anyone brings up the idea of a benevolent dictatorship with regards to Castro and his rights-abusing ilk, I'm minded of Lee Kuan Yew - an actually benevolent dictator.

[rockhopper penguin 2,265]

Whenever anyone brings up the idea of a benevolent dictatorship with regards to Castro and his rights-abusing ilk, I'm minded of Lee Kuan Yew - an actually benevolent dictator.

Wasn't he elected?

[Lard Bazaar 3,799]

Guys, guys - the bearded clam is dead, let's all have a cigar and calm our tits.

 

I would like to say that I thought Castro had a fine taste in hats.

[Joey Russ 7,220]

Question: Is Raul Castro famous enough for deathlist?

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

Guys, guys - the bearded clam is dead, let's all have a cigar and calm our tits.

 

I would like to say that I thought Castro had a fine taste in hats.

Have you ever rolled the odd Cuban or three on your thighs Lardy??

[CaptainChorizo 1,976]

Batista was a bad guy but he didn't slaughter and imprison people anywhere close to the rate Castro did. Castro impoverished a country that at one time had a peso almost on par with the Us Dollar, but some people are celebrating him because although 95% of the people are all dirt poor now,they at least have access to the same healthcare.

[drol 11,886]

Batista was a bad guy but he didn't slaughter and imprison people anywhere close to the rate Castro did. Castro impoverished a country that at one time had a peso almost on par with the Us Dollar, but some people are celebrating him because although 95% of the people are all dirt poor now,they at least have access to the same healthcare.

Batista was a fine wrestlers, AFAIK.

[Lard Bazaar 3,799]

 

 

Guys, guys - the bearded clam is dead, let's all have a cigar and calm our tits.

 

I would like to say that I thought Castro had a fine taste in hats.

Have you ever rolled the odd Cuban or three on your thighs Lardy??

Naturally. Rolled between my thighs then sucked hard.

[Lord Fellatio Nelson 6,218]

 

 

Guys, guys - the bearded clam is dead, let's all have a cigar and calm our tits.

 

I would like to say that I thought Castro had a fine taste in hats.

Have you ever rolled the odd Cuban or three on your thighs Lardy??

Naturally. Rolled between my thighs then sucked hard.

 

[GossipGabe 333]

 

Whenever anyone brings up the idea of a benevolent dictatorship with regards to Castro and his rights-abusing ilk, I'm minded of Lee Kuan Yew - an actually benevolent dictator.

 

Wasn't he elected?

Yes he was. He and his party (People's Action Party) has won every election since Singapore was established. That was in part since he and his country were extremely successful, but at least initially, he had to resort to measures that would seem quite unusual in a liberal democracy.

 

Operation Cold Store, was the code name for a covert security operation carried out in Singapore on 2 February 1963 which led to the arrest of over 100 people, who were detained without trial

The context?

Given the Barisan's [ie. an opposition party's] large support base, political onlookers speculated that the Barisan could potentially win the 1963 General Election. The British colonial records revealed that Lee Kuan Yew felt threatened by the powerful left-wing movements and had on several occasions tried to remove his opponents by invoking the PSSO [Preservation of Public Service Ordinance] to detain his opponents."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Coldstore

[Weebl 216]

Question: Is Raul Castro famous enough for deathlist?

 

Of course he is. Actually, many people less famous than him are still very much deathlist-worthy.

 

I think someone said it before that Fidel Castro really had a lot in common with Jimmy Saville in terms of his fashion style - both were old men who wore tracksuits and smoked cigars...

[Sean 6,309]

I wonder how Dr Zorders has been celebrating?

[JR976evil 905]

I wonder how Dr Zorders has been celebrating?

Probably too busy masturbating over Donald Trump's victory then blaming the subsequent mess on Halibuts, the left, and his mother

[msc 18,421]

I wonder how Dr Zorders has been celebrating?

 

There's another guy I thought about, former member on here, but the last time I mentioned his name, he showed up! Coughcough*significantdeath*coughcough

[The Mad Hatter 1,092]

Despite what others will say overall Castro was good for Cuba.

I know the way he encouraged immigration was brilliant.