Joe Biden

[Brad252 809]

Joe Biden has now pardoned his son Hunter. Quite possibly his dumbest ever decision, having now shattered any positive legacy he may have had left, and vindicated Trump and MAGA linking the two of them together.

[Superstar 295]

13 minutes ago, Brad252 said:

Joe Biden has now pardoned his son Hunter. Quite possibly his dumbest ever decision, having now shattered any positive legacy he may have had left, and vindicated Trump and MAGA linking the two of them together.

who the hell cares on what you have to bring to the table

[John Key 749]

To anyone who wants to respond to the bait above, I just want to tell you good luck. We're all counting on you. 

[Ulitzer95 12,703]

6 hours ago, Superstar said:

who the hell cares on what you have to bring to the table

Perhaps rather than trying to shut people like Brad down because he doesn’t share your worldly view, you should tell us why Hunter deserves a pardon.
 

Or indeed maybe a talking point for the Americans should be *why* their head of state should even be allowed to have such a powerful function that overrides the natural process of the justice system in the first place.**
 

**At the political rants and discussions thread ofc – none of this is particularly relevant to Sleepy Joe’s health and thus off topic here.

[The Old Crem 3,611]

Biden has probably secured the Republicans at least three presidential terms.

[The Old Crem 3,611]

1 hour ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Perhaps rather than trying to shut people like Brad down because he doesn’t share your worldly view, you should tell us why Hunter deserves a pardon.
 

Or indeed maybe a talking point for the Americans should be *why* their head of state should even be allowed to have such a powerful function that overrides the natural process of the justice system in the first place.**
 

**At the political rants and discussions thread ofc – none of this is particularly relevant to Sleepy Joe’s health and thus off topic here.

To be fair it’s not uncommon for a president of a country to have such power - America is not unique in that aspect. 
 

Bill Clinton did the same but his brother wasn’t such a big story and he did it very close to the end of his term and i5 was soon covered up by the inauguration of Bush Jr.  

[Spade_Cooley 9,569]

One of Dubbya's final pardons was for hip-hop producer John Forte, who was behind the worst single of 1998 and possibly one of the 50 worst songs ever recorded:

 

 

 

(he was in prison for coke-dealing rather than somehow capturing the worst excesses of shiny suit rap into four minutes)

[Sly Ronnie 893]

27 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

Biden has probably secured the Republicans at least three presidential terms.

 

Shut the fuck up.

[Ulitzer95 12,703]

28 minutes ago, The Old Crem said:

Biden has probably secured the Republicans at least three presidential terms.

Doubt it. Americans don’t typically vote in the same party for 12 years running. Also, voters tend to have short term memories.

[Toast 16,170]

10 hours ago, Superstar said:

who the hell cares on what you have to bring to the table

 

"cares on" ?  Is this the new "hates on" ?

[Cerberus 304]

8 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Doubt it. Americans don’t typically vote in the same party for 12 years running. Also, voters tend to have short term memories.

 

It's possible that Ford's pardon of Nixon may have been a factor in him losing in '76, but Carter didn't win by that much and of course only managed one term. 

[Deadboy999 177]

NO ONE'S ABOVE THE LAW

[Joey Russ 7,239]

6 minutes ago, Deadboy999 said:

NO ONE'S ABOVE THE LAW

I agree. So you very much believe that trump’s criminal convictions should’ve gone through and he should’ve served time in prison then just like Hunter Biden right? 

[Ulitzer95 12,703]

5 minutes ago, Joey Russ said:

I agree. So you very much believe that trump’s criminal convictions should’ve gone through and he should’ve served time in prison then just like Hunter Biden right? 

The people just elected him President. The people didn't just vote for Hunter to get pardoned. That's the difference...

[Joey Russ 7,239]

Ah so if a criminal is elected president then all of their crimes are completely absolved. So if Hunter Biden were to theoretically run and get 312 electoral votes you would also be okay with him not serving time like Trump? Yep, makes perfect sense to me

[Ulitzer95 12,703]

1 minute ago, Joey Russ said:

Ah so if a criminal is elected president then all of their crimes are completely absolved. So if Hunter Biden were to theoretically run and get 312 electoral votes you would also be okay with him not serving time like Trump? Yep, makes perfect sense to me

Nope. You're putting words in my mouth and complicating what I said in order to weaken the argument. 

I don't believe in presidential pardons – period. They're unjust and very outdated.

I do however believe in democracy, and despite Trump being convicted of one (of many) of the things they threw at him, he was elected in a landslide anyway. Don't like it? Fine. That's well within your right to do so. You're allowed to protest and bitch about that result. You're also allowed to move elsewhere. But don't try and pretend that a pardon sanctioned by one individual vs. the consent of the nation are equally weighted – because they're really not.

[Life Is Beautiful 718]

17 hours ago, Joey Russ said:

I agree. So you very much believe that trump’s criminal convictions should’ve gone through and he should’ve served time in prison then just like Hunter Biden right? 

 

I'd say yes but only if those indictments/convictions/trials did not coincide so suspiciously with his third presidential run for some reason.

 

The election is over friends, it's okay to admit that was political persecution.

[Seppuku 98]

20 hours ago, Ulitzer95 said:

Nope. You're putting words in my mouth and complicating what I said in order to weaken the argument. 

I don't believe in presidential pardons – period. They're unjust and very outdated.

I do however believe in democracy, and despite Trump being convicted of one (of many) of the things they threw at him, he was elected in a landslide anyway. Don't like it? Fine. That's well within your right to do so. You're allowed to protest and bitch about that result. You're also allowed to move elsewhere. But don't try and pretend that a pardon sanctioned by one individual vs. the consent of the nation are equally weighted – because they're really not.

I wish people would stop calling it a landslide. It just wasn't and it, republicans want to make their mandate seem broader than it actually is: 

 

By either reckoning, his margin over Vice President Kamala Harris was about 1.6 percentage points, the third smallest since 1888, and could ultimately end up around 1.5 points. (New York Times )

 

I agree with you that presidential pardons are unjust though. 

 

[Ulitzer95 12,703]

28 minutes ago, Seppuku said:

I wish people would stop calling it a landslide. It just wasn't and it, republicans want to make their mandate seem broader than it actually is: 

 

By either reckoning, his margin over Vice President Kamala Harris was about 1.6 percentage points, the third smallest since 1888, and could ultimately end up around 1.5 points. (New York Times )

 

I agree with you that presidential pardons are unjust though. 

 

In terms of states carried, it was.

[Seppuku 98]

Ik term of swing states carried, yes. It's hardly Reagan 1984 though. Nobody called it a land when Biden won 6 out of 7 battleground states...

[Joey Russ 7,239]

The Bill Clinton wins and Obama 08 probably have more of an argument that they’re landslides but I don’t think those are true landslides so if those aren’t landslides then Trump 2024 definitely isn’t a landslide when it basically was just a repeat of 2016 plus Nevada. The last real landslide was probably 1984. 

[Youth in Asia 1,087]

I distinctly remember the 1984 American election because it was the first time I had ever heard the word landslide.

For some reason I don't think it was used for Thatcher's victory in 79.

A bit like I had never heard the word tsunami until 2004 and then since then it gets used all the time.

[prussianblue 1,040]

3 hours ago, Youth in Asia said:

I distinctly remember the 1984 American election because it was the first time I had ever heard the word landslide.

For some reason I don't think it was used for Thatcher's victory in 79.

A bit like I had never heard the word tsunami until 2004 and then since then it gets used all the time.

 

Because that wasn't a landslide. She won a decent 43 seat majority on 43.9% of the vote. Labour got 36.9%.

[Bibliogryphon 9,597]

4 hours ago, prussianblue said:

 

Because that wasn't a landslide. She won a decent 43 seat majority on 43.9% of the vote. Labour got 36.9%.

 

1983 is normally considered as Thatcher's Landslide victory - post Falklands and up against The Longest Suicide Note in History

[Sean 6,343]

22 hours ago, Joey Russ said:

The Bill Clinton wins and Obama 08 probably have more of an argument that they’re landslides but I don’t think those are true landslides so if those aren’t landslides then Trump 2024 definitely isn’t a landslide when it basically was just a repeat of 2016 plus Nevada. The last real landslide was probably 1984. 

Yeah 84 was the last landslide.1936 and 1972 were notable too.