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Too big to dump in the birthdays thread in extra curricular. Technically not midnight in the States yet, but it's the 15th in the UK already so why not... HAPPY 20TH BIRTHDAY WIKIPEDIA. Both an incredible help (90% of the time) and a total pain in the ass (10% of the time with incorrect info, hoaxes etc.) for deadpooling purposes. We couldn't be without her now though!

This year's list with help from @Torva Messor, @Lewd_Squirrel & @alt obits guy George Armstrong (b. 1930, Skead, ON, d. January 24, 2021), Hockey Player, Hall of Fame Margaret Atwood (b. 1939, Ottawa, ON), Writer, The Handmaid's Tale Andy Barrie (b. 1945, Baltimore, MD, USA), Radio Personality, Host of Metro Morning Lucien Bouchard (b. 1938, Saint-Coeur-de-Marie, QC), 27th Premier of Quebec & Leader of the Bloc Quebecois Scotty Bowman (b. 1933, Verdun, QC), Hall of Fame Hockey Coach Don Cherry (b. 1934, Kingston, ON), Hockey Coach & Personality, Host of Coach's Corner Tommy Chong (b. 1938, Edmonton, AB), Actor & Comedian, Cheech & Chong Jean Chrétien (b. 1934, Shawinigan, QC), Politician, 20th Prime Minister Joe Crozier (b. 1929, Winnipeg, MB), Hockey Coach Bill Davis (b. 1929, Toronto, ON, d. August 8, 2021), Politician, 18th Premier of Ontario Graeme Ferguson (b. 1929, Toronto, ON, d. May 8, 2021), Co-Inventor of IMAX Michael J. Fox (b. 1961, Edmonton, AB), Actor, Back to the Future Emile Francis (b. 1926, North Battleford, SK), Hockey Player, Coach & Executive, Hall of Fame Frank Gehry (b. 1929, Toronto, ON), Architect, Walt Disney Concert Hall Glenn Hall (b. 1931, Humboldt, SK), Hockey Goaltender, Hall of Fame Ian "Vampiro" Hodgkinson (b. 1967, Thunder Bay, ON), Professional Wrestler Dick Irvin Jr. (b. 1932, Calgary, AB), Sports Broadcaster James K. Irving (b. 1928), Billionaire Norman Jewison (b. 1926, Toronto, ON), Film Director, Oscar Winner Martha Johnson (b. 1950, Toronto, ON), Rock Singer, Martha and the Muffins Sid Krofft (b. 1929, Montreal, QC), Puppeteer, H.R. Pufnstuf Guy Lafleur (b. 1951, Thurso, QC), Hockey Player, Hall of Fame Gordon Lightfoot (b. 1938, Orillia, ON), Folk Singer-Songwriter, 5x Grammy Nominee Rudolph A. Marcus (b. 1923, Montreal, QC), Chemist, Nobel Laureate Hazel McCallion (b. 1921, Port Daniel, QC), Politician, 5th Mayor of Mississauga, ON Joni Mitchell (b. 1943, Fort Macleod, AB), Folk Singer-Songwriter, 9x Grammy Winner Allan Moffat (b. 1939, Saskatoon, SK), Racing Driver Alice Munro (b. 1931, Wingham, ON), Writer, Nobel Laureate Peter C. Newman (b. 1929, Vienna, Austria), Editor of MacLean's & the Toronto Star Helen Nichol (b. 1920, Ardley, AB, d. June 25, 2021), Baseball Player Cornelia Oberlander (b. 1921, Muelheim-Ruhr, Germany, d. May 22, 2021), Architect, Robson Square Gino Odjick (b. 1970, Montreal, QC), Hockey Player Marty Pavelich (b. 1927, Sault Ste. Marie, ON), Hockey Player, 4x Stanley Cup Winner Jim Peebles (b. 1935, Winnipeg, MB), Astrophysicist Gordon Pinsent (b. 1930, Grand Falls, NL), Actor, Babar the Elephant Christopher Plummer (b. 1929, Toronto, ON, d. February 5, 2021), Actor, 1x Oscar, 2x Tony & 2x Emmy Winner John Polanyi (b. 1929, Berlin, Germany), Chemist, Nobel Laureate Hubert Reeves (b. 1932, Montreal, QC), Astrophysicist Lloyd Robertson (b. 1934, Stratford, ON), Journalist, CTV News with Lloyd Robertson Richard Rohmer (b. 1924, Hamilton, ON), RCAF Aviator, WWII Mort Sahl (b. 1927, Montreal, QC, d. October 26, 2021), Comedian Edward Schreyer (b. 1935, Beausejour, MB), 22nd Governor General of Canada William Shatner (b. 1931, Montreal, QC), Actor, Star Trek Lawrence "Abdullah the Butcher" Shreve (b. 1941, Windsor, ON), Professional Wrestler, WWE Hall of Fame Michael Snow (b. 1928, Toronto, ON), Multi-Media Artist, Wavelength Paul Soles (b. 1930, Toronto, ON, d. May 28, 2021), Voice Actor, Spider-Man (1967) Donald Sutherland (b. 1935, Saint John, NB), Actor, 2x Golden Globe Winner David Suzuki (b. 1936, Vancouver, BC), Environmental Activist, Host of The Nature of Things Ian Tyson (b. 1933, Victoria, BC), Country Singer-Songwriter Rhoda Wurtele (b. 1922, Saint-Lambert, QC), Olympic Women's Skiing Pioneer

Yes this needs sorted and the name issue is my fault. I have changed their name on the lookup tab but left coding the same and not updated the Celeb tab which pulls through all the photo and info. This would at least have correctly called her Jessica. (I'm not aware of the phrase 'dead naming' although I can obviously see what it means). The photo and write up will be updated as part of the process of bringing the photos and write ups to reflect current reality. So I don't disagree with you but its just a timing thing which stands out more than some of the other descriptions that are equally out of date.

You can fuck off too, you knob rot.

DDP is the most prestigious.

Marianne on her almost fatal Covid infection, the longterm effects and her possibly final album: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/15/marianne-faithfull-i-was-in-a-dark-place-presumably-it-was-death

I know he is only 18, but good lord Harvey is not looking like someone who will live much longer. Son of Katie Price and Dwight Yorke and occasional appearances on daytime TV staying silent then simply saying "cunt". He suffers from septo-optic dysplasia, autism and Prader-Willi syndrome is now 29 stone and Jordan has to lock the fridge, her kids have to hide any leftovers and he has tantrums if he has low fat chips! In June last year was rushed to intensive care due to severe breathing issues, chest pains and risk of organ failure. Recent pic

It is with great pleasure that I can announce that the winner of the Hares Pool 2020 is ...... JiromeonKimura A magnificent performance which highlights the importance of the late hit in this pool. 5 other players had more hits, but 9 of JKs hits came in the second half of the year, with the all important hits of Vasquez and Aucoin in December. That gave a new record of 3083 points, and the much sought-after Hares title. WINNER JiromeonKiruma (3083 points) 14 hits [Alex Trebek, Bob Gibson, Boris Klyuyev, Chitetsu Wantabe, Derek Aucoin, Frankie Benali, Genesis P-Orridge, Joseph Hanneschlager, Judy Dyble, Michael Gauthier, John Lewis, Lone Dybkjaer Steve Blackmore, Tabare Vasquez] RUNNER-UP Etushispushingupdaisies (3033 points) 16 hits [Alex Trebek, Armen D., Bob Gibson Cullan Brown, Daniel Arap Moi, Frankie Benali, Genesis P-Orridge, Jay Allen, John Andretti, Lee Kerslake Kirk Douglas, Pat Smullen, Roger Scruton, Tabare Vasquez, Terry Jones, Vasily Kulkov] The unlucky runner up is Etushispushingupdaisies. Despite taking the lead late on (6th December) with a then record score, Etush just couldn't hold on and was caught with 5 days to go. 16 hits just didn't yield enough, with 7 of those coming by March 17th. THIRD PLACE Grim Up North (2888 points) 17 hits [Alex Trebek, Chris Doleman, David Hagen, Dennis Goldberg, Frankie Benali, Genesis P-Orridge, Howard Finkel, John Andretti, Judy Dyble, Kirk Douglas, Lee Kerslake ,Liz Clarke-Saul, Nobby Stiles, Pat Smullen, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stirling Moss, Vera Lynn] Filling the last of the podium spaces is long-time leader Grim Up North. Of small consolation is a new record of 17 hits. However the hits dried up after November 8th allowing others to catch up. The real deal-breaker however was that joker Tom Smith refused to go. Of the 17 hits, 13 would have given Grim the title had they been selected as the joker. GOOD, BUT NOT QUITE THERE: the over 2020 points club John Key (2621 points) 14 hits [Alex Trebek, Bob Gibson, Chris Doleman, Frankie Benali, Ged Stokes,Genesis P-Orridge, Henry Gray, John Andretti, Kirk Douglas, Lee Kerslake, Qaboos of Oman, Roberta McCain, Ruth Bader Ginsburg , Sam Lloyd] The Unknown Man (2550 points) 15 hits [Alex Trebek, Chris Doleman, Daniel Arap Moi, Everton Weekes, Frankie Benali, Genesis P-Orridge, Javier Perez de Cuellar, John Andretti, Kirk Douglas, Lee Kerslake, Nobby Stiles, Olivia de Haviland, Sam Lloyd, Tabare Vasquez, Terry Jones] Nantonian2013 (2524 points) 10 hits [Alex Trebek, Everton Weekes, John Hume, Kamala, Little Richard, Nobby Stiles, Roberta McCain, Roger Scruton, Sumner Redstone, Tabare Vasquez] Banana (2460 points) 14 hits [Alex Trebek, Bob Gibson, Chris Doleman, Derek Aucoin, Frankie Benali, Greg Lewis, Henri Richard, John Lewis, Joseph Hanneschlager, Lee Kerslake Ruth Morrissey, Steve Blackmore, Terry Jones, Tom Belso] CaptainChorizo (2355 points) 17 Hits [Alex Trebek, Bernard Ebbers, Bernhard Pinera, Bob Weighton, Chitetsu Wantabe , Dennis Goldberg, Frankie Benali, Genesis P-Orridge, Hugh Downs, John Lewis, Johnny Harris, Lee Kerslake, Raymond Allen, Roger Scruton, Terry Jones, Toby Dawson, Tom Belso] An Fear Beag (2307 points) 13 hits [Alex Trebek, Bob Gibson, Bob Weighton, Chris Doleman, Daniel Arap Moi, David Hagen, Frankie Benali, Genesis P-Orridge, John Lewis, Kirk Douglas, Pat Smullen, Roberta MCCain, Terry Jones] drol (2293 points) 14 hits [Alex Trebek, Bob Gibson, Daniel Arap Moi, David Hagen, Dennis Goldberg, Genesis P-Orridge, John Andretti, Lee Kerslake, Majek Fashek, Qaboos of Oman, Pat Smullen, Roger Scruton, Shin-Kyuk-ho, Sumner Redstone] Prophet (2272 points) 12 hits [Alex Trebek, Bob Gibson, Daniel Arap Moi, Frankie Benali, John Andretti, Kirk Douglas, Lee Kerslake, Nobby Stiles, Olivi De Haviland. Roger Scruton, Vera Lynn, William Frankland] the_engineer (2257 points) 12 hits [Alex Trebek, Arnold Spielberg, Chris Doleman, Dennis Goldberg, Jill Gascoigne, John Andretti, Kirk Douglas, Lee Kerslake, Nobby Stiles, Olivia De Havviland, Roberta McCain, Roger Scuton] Death Impends (2189 points) 12 hits [Alex Trebek, Diana Sera Carey, Earl Cameron, Javier Perez de Cuellar, John Hume, Lyon G Tyler Jr, Mad Mike Hoare, Pearl Carr, Roberta McCain, Stirling Moss, Sumner Redstone, William Frankland] Joey Russ (2181 points) 15 hits [Alex Trebek, Chitetsu Wantabe, Daniel Arap Moi, Genesis P-Orridge, Jill Gascoigne, Kirk Douglas, Lee Kerslake, Little Richard, Nobby Stiles, Roberta McCain, Roger Scruton, Stirling Moss, Terry Jones, Tommy DeVito, Vera Lynn) The Old Crem (2116 points) 11 hits [Alex Trebek, Jill Gascoigne, John Hume, John Lewis, Kirk Douglas, Nicholas Parsons, Nobby Stiles, Olivia de Haviland, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stirling Moss, Vera Lynn] Torva Messor (2108 points) 10 hits Alex Trebek, [Diana Sera Carey, Frankie Benali, Genesis P-Orridge, Hugh Downs, Nobby Stiles, Olivia de Haviland Kirk Douglas, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Vera Lynn] msc (2067 points) 11 hits [Chuck Yeager, Earl Cameron, Freeman Dyson, Kirk Douglas, Nicholas Parsons, Olivia de Haviland, Peregrine Worsthorne, Ronald Atkins, Sumner Redstone, Vera Lynn, William Frankland] MIDDLE OF THE ROADERS markb4 (1849 points) 9 hits [Alex Trebek, Christopher Tolkein, Chuck Yeager Javier Perez de Cuellar, Kirk Douglas, Nicholas Parsons, Roberta McCain, Ruth Bader Ginsburg Vera Lynn] The Quim Reaper (1715 points) 11 hits [Javier Perez de Cuellar, Kirk Douglas, Lee Kerslake, Little Richard, Nicholas Parsons, Nobby Stiles, Olivia de Haviland, Stirling Moss, Terry Jones, , Valery Giscard D’Estang, Vera Lynn] LizLemon (1651 points) 8 hits [Alex Trebek, Jerry Stiller, Kirk Douglas, John Lewis, Olivia de Haviland, Roberta McCain, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sumner Redstone] gcreptile (1643 points) 11 hits [Alex Trebek, Bob Gibson, Bob Joers, Danny Oosthuizen, Frankie Benali, John Jhairo Valezquez, Karen Simpson, Lee Kerslake, Pat Smullen, Peter Bonetti, Todd Portune] theoldlady (1635 points) 10 hits [Alex Trebek, Daniel Arap Moi, David Prowse, Ennio Morricone, Henry Gray, Javier Perez de Cuellar, Kirk Douglas, Nobby Stiles, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stirling Moss] RadGuy (1548 points) 10 hits [Alex Trebek, Frankie Benali, John Andretti, Lee Kerslake, Michael Robinson, Nanci Ryder, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Sam Lloyd, Terry Jones, Tom Long] Sean (1427 points) 10 hits [Alex Trebek, Everton Weekes, Javier Perez de Cuellar, John Hume, John Lewis, Kirk Douglas, Nicholas Parsons, Olivia de Haviland, Terry Jones, Vera Lynn] Etib80 (1421 points) 6 hits [Alex Trebek, Kirk Douglas, Olivia de Haviland, Pierre Cardin Valerie Giscard D’Estang Vera Lynn] Sir Creep (1329 points) 12 hits [Balbir Singh Sr, Daniel Arap Moi, Deanne Sutherland, Frankie Benali, Henry Gray, Ignatio Trelles, Jay Allen, John Andretti, Kirk Douglas, Henri Richard, Paul Rutter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg] Fixed Business (1323 points) 7 hits [Alex Trebek, Daniel Arap Moi, Genesis P-Orridge, Kirk Douglas, Lee Kerslake, Nobby Stiles, Sean Connery] The Mad Hatter (1296 points) 12 hits [Daniel Arap Moi, David Dinkins, Genesis P-Orridge, Ian Holm, Jimmy Heath, John Andretti, John Hume, Kirk Douglas, Little Richard, Olivia de Haviland, Roger Scruton, Terry Jones] Great Uncle Bulgaria (1198 points) 7 hits [Alex Trebek, Daniel Arap Moi, Kirk Douglas, Roberta Mc Cain, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stirling Moss, Vera Lynn] Wormfarmer (1173 points) 9 hits [Daniel Arap Moi, David Stern, Frankie Benali, Genesis P-Orridge, James Randi, Kirk Douglas, Lee Kerslake, Majek Fashek, William Frankland] YorkshireBanker (1161 points) 9 hits [Alex Trebek, Bobby Brown (rangers), Daniel Arap Moi, Freeman Dyson, Henry Gray, Johnny Beattie, Katherine Johnson, Vasily Kulkov, Vera Lynn] YoungWillz (1023 points) 5 hits [David Prowse, Earl Cameron, Geoffrey Palmer, Nicholas Parsons, Philip Latham] Toast (1000 points) 7 hits [Ian Holm, Judy Dyble, Michael Lonsdale, Michael Medwin, Pearl Carr, Stirling Moss, Vera Lynn] MUST TRY HARDERS JoeMoneyPenny (894 points) 6 hits [Everton Weekes, Genesis P-Orridge, Hau Pie-tsen, Manolis Glezos, Stanley Ho, Vera Lynn] GraveDanger (862 points) 6 hits [Chris Doleman, Genesis P-Orridge, Lee Kerslake, Jill Gascoigne, John Andretti, Nobby Stiles] Pedro67 (845 points) 5 hits [Jackie Stallone Kirk Douglas, Nanci Ryder, Ronald Atkins, Terry Jones] Clorox Bleachman (843 points) 6 hits [Chitetsu Wantabe, David Hagen, Irene Sinclair, Lee Kerslake, John Andretti Thuy Thuanh Trong] Whoaml (813 points) 8 hits [Jean Kennedy Smith, John Andretti, John Lysak, Katherine Johnson, Kirk Douglas, Marge Champion, Olivia de Haviland,Terry Jones] Predictor (790 points) 5 hits [Ben Cooper, Francisco Jose Cox, Joey Image, Kevin Thompson, Shirley Abrahamson] Skinny Kiltrunner (777 points) 7 hits [Bernard Ebbers, Bob Watson, Chris Doleman, Frankie Benali, John Andretti, Nobuhiko Obayashi, Sumner Redstone] THE "ALL THAT WORK AND SO LITTLE REWARD"-ERS Book (604 points) 4 hits [Gotthilf Fischer, Hannelore Minkus, Michel Picolli, Sonja Ziemann] Bibliogryphon (287 points ) 1 hit [Herbert Kretzmer] And finally ...... THE "INVENTED THE GAME BUT IS STILL CRAP AT IT" AWARD (formerly held by the English football team) Deathray 0 points A fitting end to 7 years of hosting the pool, I'm sure you would all agree. Its what he would have wanted. Well, if you do insist on picking Keith Richards in a deathpool, what do you expect? A few other mentions and awards: CAPTAIN CHORIZO also beat the previous record of hits, and jointly hold the record of 17. Ultimately undone however by a combination of no joker hit, and not enough big scoring late hits. AWARD FOR MOST POINTS PER HIT (MIN 5 HITS): NANTONIAN2013. 10 hits 2524 points - a remarkable 252.4 points per hit THE "CAME TOO SOON" AWARD FOR FEWEST POINTS PER HIT: WHOAM. 8 hits, 5 of them in JAN/FEB. 813 points - 101.6 points per hit

Dame Margaret Beckett, interim Labour LotO after John Smith’s death, is 78 today

I'm glad I took the chance to see her, what, five years ago already? I can't see much chance of her performing live again as she was pretty fragile then, but I hope she goes on as long as she wants to.

So, how's it going?

You mean you hope Dustin Diamond survives the year so the DL Committee can completely ignore him in time for 2022?

Yeah, this year is sure to be a little more interesting because everyone has the same conditions. I also had to steal the Pope, sorry.

I keep having to because there are some players who are (legitimately) stealing my picks. Not been fast enough off the blocks to nab them back and now I have lost Estelle Harris to the Captain

Thanks. I really didn't change my team, so... let's wait and see

Sylvain Sylvain is dead. I think this is quite important death in terms of 2021 DDP. I did consider him but eventually dropped because there wasn't much information about him.

Maybe it's time we edit this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_pool I mean, the rotten deadpool isn't the biggest anymore. If it ever was.

This is the kind of post that just makes me wonder what the fuck I am doing here. Maybe I should find better things to do.

My pick Peter Mark Richman has died. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9149647/Peter-Mark-Richman-character-actor-Beverly-Hills-90210-Threes-Company-passes-away-93.html next round: 1921: Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh / Ágnes Keleti 1922: Luis Echeverria / Janis Paige 1923: Larry Storch / Pamela Sharples, Baroness Sharples 1924: Budge Patty / Eva Marie Saint 1925: Robert Fyfe / Arlene Dahl 1926: Mel Brooks / Rowena Jackson 1927: Pope Benedict XVI / Cleo Laine 1928: Bernard Cribbins / Ethel Kennedy 1929: Ed Asner / Imelda Marcos 1930: Jean-Louis Trintignant / Katherine Jackson

Only famous for being Katie Price's son. Not standalone thread worthy, he can be discussed in the Family of the Famous thread:

Yeah, I assumed - wrongly - that if he had died someone would have discussed it with how huge Bond fandom is. Ah well. (And yeah there was a case a few years back of a silent film actress getting a full Telegraph obit - and DDP points - off a hoax Facebook announcement! They had in fact died 20-30 years previously!)

It’s been Five Years (what a surprise) since David Bowie became a Blackstar at 69.

Well, there's a question. Let's start with the fact he is deeply ambitious: he's been aiming to be Prime Minister since Oxford and probably since Eton. Whatever nonsense he's said in the past about 'if the ball comes loose from the back of the scrum...' he's been planning to become Tory leader for years and probably seriously since he became Mayor of London. He backed Leave in the referendum essentially because he saw it as his best chance of getting the leadership (the base were Eurosceptic, even in a losing campaign, which he assumed it would probably be, he'd be a hero among the grassroots). Gove knifed him in the back but May still gave him the Foreign Office, a ludicrously high office of state which only underlined his support among the parliamentary and wider party - she needed him. He was planning his leadership campaign from the moment he resigned from government probably and seriously I'd imagine from around the end of 2018, when May faced her no confidence vote and started losing her Brexit votes. He also has a burning desire to be liked. By everyone. It's why he tries to avoid taking opinions on things to appeal to everybody and even when he does take positions, he tries to laugh them off and keep opponents on side. I think that's the issue that's come to a head this week: he's been trying to juggle all these different factions he's got on his side currently and it eventually becomes untenable as decisions need making in particular directions. He originally sided with Cummings and Cain but then was talked around by his girlfriend and her supporters. This is the other part of this: he isn't especially a conviction politician, he'll change tack according to the prevailing winds. And my understanding is that he's a 'big picture' kind of guy who doesn't like detail. He'll come up with the headline (e.g. "Garden Bridge in London") and then let others worry about how to make it happen. It's why his Operation Moonshot idea announced months ago is still looking like pie in the sky and why he agreed a Brexit deal with Varadkar last October and spent much of this summer trying to break his own treaty. He also yearns to go down in history. He loves history, he loves Churchill and he wants his own page. That requires some great achievement: taking us out of the Brexit shadows into a brave new world, permanently rewriting the electoral map, defeating the Nationalists and strengthening the Union, launching the Johnson age of innovation and prosperity. Take your pick - whether he can do any of it is severely in doubt. He's also an unashamed liar. He won't admit this, but he is shameless about it to get what he wants. He made his name writing absolute bullshit for the Telegraph's EU column, talking about them banning prawn cocktail crisps, classifying snails as fish and ensuring manure smelt the same. At best they had a grain of truth but were taken to ludicrous extremes with the sole purpose of riling up the Tory base. All the nonsense about bendy bananas and burgundy passports comes from that blond moron's lead. Then there's the fucking bus, which he insisted in the face of all evidence to the contrary from Robert Peston was true (but you can clearly see on his face he thinks it's all a game and knows he's talking out his arse). It's all about winning. By any means necessary. Oh, and he likes women. Alot. So in short: he's a great campaigner, rubbish leader, ambitious, narcissistic, lying, scheming and doesn't like detail. I don't personally liken him to Trump: Trump is completely egomaniacal at the expense of all others, lacks any empathy and is just plain nasty to most people. Johnson, to me, essentially still thinks he's at prep school - he's still in the Bullingdon Club in his head and nothing has any real consequences. Sooner we get a grown-up back in charge the better: but I doubt it will be for a while, this is a guy that turned London blue twice - he's not going to lose an 80 seat majority in one election. Finally, so this isn't just an anti-Boris rant: he self-isolating again after coming into contact with a COVID-riddled MP. Sounds like they reckon immunity doesn't last more than about 6 months in that case.