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Rolf Harris gravely ill with neck cancer, under 24-hour care, intubated: cannot talk or eat. https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/paedophile-entertainer-rolf-harris-is-gravely-ill-with-neck-cancer-can-no-longer-speak-and-is-fed-through-a-tube/news-story/3405ea6335d3b1f39d39498e0442525e

DEAD https://apnews.com/article/loretta-lynn-dies-5f1545e60e37e482faa42cbb25ae61e8?taid=633c43035486240001a0fef2&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

As a former president, Carter is a much bigger name than Kissinger is, at least here in the U.S. I share the worry that he won't see 100, but it's absolutely remarkable that this dude has lived as long as he has. The guy was a nonagenarian with brain cancer 7 years ago! George W. Bush does look very good for his age, and I thought his dad looked pretty good into old age until the effects of his form of Parkinson's really took hold. Of course both of Dubya's parents lived past 90 (92 for Barbara and 94 for HW), and given his appearance and genes, I'd say he is a good bet to see his 90's, possibly his late 90's. Clinton is already pretty frail at the age of 76; he has legitimate heart issues and I can't see him making it to 90. I'm not even sure if he'll make it for 5 more years, and I don't think he'll make it for 10 more. I'm not saying that I think he'll be DL-worthy in '23, but I think he will be a sneaky pick relatively soon, in my humble opinion. It will be interesting to see who makes it to an older age between Biden or Trump. Biden is a little over 3 and a half years older, so maybe he'll go first, but I'd give him the slight edge on living to an older age. They are both clearly in cognitive decline, if not in the same way. Biden does look like he's in better physical health, as Trump is overweight and has a horrible diet. Both had parents who made it to pretty advanced ages, so they both have that going for them. (Biden's dad died at 86 while his mother was 92; Trump's dad died at 93 while his mother was 88.) As for Obama, he seems like he's in pretty good health, but he did used to be a heavy smoker and even continued that as president for a while when he was under stress. He's quit smoking for long enough now (he apparently quit in 2010-ish) that his lungs have probably recovered, but his lung cancer risk will still be 3 times greater than that of a non-smoker. Neither of his parents made it past the age of 52, so he doesn't have that on his side, either. Still, he's had an active lifestyle and is in good shape for a man his age, so I think he'll see his 80's, at least. And with impeccable health care access, if he did come down with lung cancer, perhaps they'd catch it early.

DDP Obit for Ian Hamilton: https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/23018232.tributes-paid-ian-hamilton-advocate-liberator-stone-destiny/ @gcreptile @Death Impends

Ian Hamilton, the last survivor of the attempted repatriation of the Stone of Destiny, now being reported dead:

A hypothetical 2023 list I made: 1. Henry Kissinger (2) 2. Angela Lansbury (3) 3. Glynis Johns (NEW) 4. Bob Barker (4) 5. Nigel Starmer-Smith (6) 6. Jimmy Carter (9) 7. Leslie Phillips (19) 8. Alan Greenspan (5) 9. Eva Marie Saint (NEW) 10. Dick Van Dyke (1) 11. Tony Bennett (10) 12. Mel Brooks (14) 13. Harry Belafonte (13) 14. Rob Burrow (NEW) 15. Pope Benedict XVI (-) 16. Joanne Woodward (-) 17. Jacques Delors (30) 18. David Graham (NEW) 19. Stanley Baxter (35) 20. Sandy Gall (21) 21. Gudrun Ure (NEW) 22. Barbara Walters (-) 23. James Whale (26) 24. Rosalynn Carter (20) 25. Noam Chomsky (37) 26. Jean-Marie Le Pen (24) 27. David Attenborough (17) 28. Ian Hamilton (NEW) 29. Tom Lehrer (NEW) 30. James Watson (NEW) 31. Ted Kaczynski (23) 32. Cleo Laine (27) 33. Pele (41) 34. Desmond Morris (22) 35. James Earl Jones (NEW) 36. Winnie Ewing (NEW) 37. Shannen Doherty (-) 38. Jerry Lee Lewis (29) 39. Thelma Barlow (NEW) 40. Bob Newhart (-) 41. Linda Nolan (-) 42. Yoko Ono (-) 43. Ted Turner (NEW) 44. Norman Tebbit (39) 45. Pervez Musharraf (-) 46. Jean Marsh (NEW) 47. Nigel Lawson (-) 48. Rex Williams (-) 49. Peter Tobin (NEW) 50. Vladimir Putin (NEW)

Liberator? Thieving old prick maybe.

Trump and Clinton I both expect to snuff it with very little warning at some point in the next decade or so. Clinton is what LBJ would be if he'd tried to take care of his health in the 1970s, and Trump takes less care of his health than a Glasgow addict. Bush Jr seems in reasonably good nick for his age, barring future illnesses (I do remember when Paul Newman seemed like the healthiest 70 year old in town) - I think he's around for a while yet. Biden's longevity depends on if he retires in January 2025 or not. He could easily go into a quiet long decline and wrack up the years. Even if Obama died young-ish, we're still talking not for another fifteen years plus imo. Once Jimmy Carter goes, it's a fight between Donald and Billy Boy to be next to go, I think.

I recall Trump's father suffered from Alzheimer's. His mother was also in poor health most of her life. He's obese, had a rough covid (worse than told to the public) and is rumored to suffer from coronary artery disease. Biden's health history includes two aneurysms and other health problems in the 80s, gallbladder removal in 2003, skin cancer in the past and a-fib. And at this point I agree, they're both in mild cognitive decline GWB has a history of alcoholism and both he and Obama have used cocaine, I recall they've both said they have. Bush has also had some heart problems and had coronary stenting in 2013.

That doesn't really mean anything. Even if it was given a debate, we can already write the script. The opposition parties will line up to castigate the government for its tin-eared ineptitude, its lack of accountability and call for a general election. The government will respond that convention states that parties are elected not leaders and there are various examples of precedent, from Gordon Brown to Jim Callaghan to Alec Douglas-Home of prime ministers assuming office mid-term without a general election. There will be lots of talk of getting on with the job, and even if it came to a vote, are there enough Tories like Mad Nad to have a majority for an early election? I doubt it. And even if that was the case, the power to call a general election rests back with the Prime Minister under the prerogative powers after the withdrawal of the Fixed Term Parliaments Act. And she can just say no, although in this scenario under heavy pressure I'd imagine. Of course, there is a way for the opposition to get a general election regardless, which would be to win a vote of no confidence in the government, but that would still require around 40 turkeys to vote for Christmas, and as we saw in the death throes of the Major years, they'd rather eat themselves alive than cede power early. But my point would be that considering the petition will not lead to an early election and that a mechanism already exists if there was a majority in Parliament for one. And yes, I did sign the petition if only to register my disdain for this current shambles.

Well done to CaptainChorizo for guessing Loretta Lynn. Thread closed.

Figures one of the Muppet Show guest stars would die while I'm in the middle of marathoning it.

Can you see what it is yet?

Pat Courtney (IMDb) Born 1922, she is/was British, appeared in four silent films between 1926 and 1928. Looks so tough to track!

I chose my years carefully, remembering well from school the inter-war French capacity for changing leaders more often than seasons! We never heard to remember all the sods though.

True. Remember also though that France has a PM. There are 13 living former French PMs. Our history teacher at school gave us the cruel task of learning all the French PMs of the 20th century. There were 98 PMs from 1901 to 2000 – that's crazy!

The October hits have all been fascinating people thus far. I've probably jinxed it so the next five hits are cricketers!

Oh aye, and... The bus has shown up, just waiting to fix the time to throw Kwarang under it!

And these are only the ones who spend time on social media. There must be a lot who don't.

Telegraph obit for Ian Hamilton. Given its length, they must have wrote it some time ago.

Not another niche thread. Can't such people go in here? Surely "computing pioneers" qualify as "techno".

New Out List 1. John Aniston (ro) 2. Lou Antonio (cc) 3. Oded Balilty (da) 4. Jacqui Banaszynski (da) 5. Sal Bando (ch) 6. Tony Blair (ar) 7. Walt Bogdanich (ch) 8. Vasily Borisov (to) 9. Peter Brooke (ph) 10. Gordon Brown (cw) 11. Irene Camber (to) 12. Kenneth Clarke (ro) 13. Nick Clegg (ch) 14. Donald L. Coburn (ar) 15. Dave Concepcion (ch) 16. Bud Daley (to) 17. James Darren (ar) 18. Maureen Dowd (ch) 19. Charlie Falconer (cw) 20. Norman Fowler (ro) 21. Tom Gayford (ro) 22. Mario Ghella (bp) 23. Gordy Giovenelli (to) 24. Halina Gorecka (da) 25. Judy Grinham (ti) 26. John Gummer (ti) 27. Harriet Harmen (da) 28. Roy Hattersley (ro) 29. Spencer Haywood (ch) 30. Marianna Hill (ch) 31. Billy Hunter (bp) 32. Douglas Hurd (ro) 33. Margaret Jay (cc) 34. Micheal Jopling (ba) 35. Jackie Joyse-Kerse (ch) 36. Olga Korbut (ch) 37. Nancy Kovack (da) 38. Tony Kubek (ar) 39. Vern Law (cc) 40. Nigel Lawson (sp) 41. James Mackay (bp) 42. Jean Claude Magnan (da) 43. John Major (ar) 44. Ken McMullen (ar) 45. John McPhee (cc) 46. Joanna Miles (ti) 47. John Morris (bp) 48. Siddhartha Mukerjee (ch) 49. Koji Murofushi (to) 50. Julie Newmar (ph) 51. Marsh Norman (ar) 52. John Nott (ph) 53. Ethan Phillips (ch) 54. Franco de Piccoli (ti) 55. Horacio Pina (da) 56. Michael Portillo (ch) 57. Boog Powell (ch) 58. John Prescott (cw/sp) 59. Jeff Reardon (da) 60. Daniel Revenu (da) 61. Bob Richards (to) 62. Bob Robertson (ar) 63. Andrew Robinson (ar) 64. Marilynne Robinson (da) 65. Bill Rodgers (bp) 66. Janet Royall (da) 67. Gillian Shepard (cw) 68. James Sikking (to) 69. Chris Smith (da) 70. Jack Straw (da) 71. Carel Struycken (ar) 72. Norman Tebbit (ro) 73. Laurel Thatcher Ulrich (ti) 74. Osamu Watanabe (ch) 75. George Young (ar) 76. Anthony Zerbe (ro)

Part 5: 2004–2006 Cormac McAnallen (1980–2004; 24) Gaelic footballer (Tyrone); died from Sudden Adult Death Syndrome (SADS) John McGeoch (1955–2004; 48) Rock guitarist and songwriter (Magazine, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Visage); died from epilepsy complications Caron Keating (1962–2004; 41) Television presenter; died from breast cancer Fritha Goodey (1972–2004; 31) Actress (About a Boy); committed suicide Robert Heaton (1961–2004; 53) Rock drummer (New Model Army); died from complications of a fall John Balance (1962–2004; 42) Singer-songwriter (Coil), poet and occultist; fell from a balcony whilst drinking Martyn Bennett (1971–2005; 33) Celtic fusion musician and composer; died from cancer Anthony Ashley-Cooper, 11th Earl of Shaftesbury (1977–2005; 27) Hereditary peer; died from a heart attack Domino Harvey (1969–2005; 35) Bounty hunter; died from a barbiturates overdose Harry Thompson (1960–2005; 45) Radio and television producer, comedy writer and novelist; died from lung cancer Steve Whatley (1959–2005; 46) Theatre actor, television presenter (QVC) and journalist; committed suicide Adrian Biddle (1952–2005; 53) Cinematographer (Thelma & Louise, Judge Dredd, The World is Not Enough); died from a heart attack Gordon Duncan (1964–2005; 41) Bagpiper; died from complications of alcoholism Rachel Squire (1954–2006; 51) Labour politician, MP (1992–2006); died from brain cancer Mark Philo (1984–2006; 21) Footballer (Wycombe Wanderers); died in a car crash whilst intoxicated Lynden David Hall (1974–2006; 31) Soul singer-songwriter; died from Hodgkin's lymphoma Lou Gish (1967–2006; 38) Stage, film and television actress (EastEnders); died from cancer Linda Smith (1958–2006; 48) Comedian and comedy writer; died from ovarian cancer Jack Wild (1952–2006; 53) Actor (Oliver!); died from oral cancer Nikki Sudden (1956–2006; 49) Singer-songwriter and guitarist (Swell Maps); died from a heart attack David Sharp (1972–2006; 34) Mountaineer; died from hypothermia whilst climbing Mount Everest Kevin Hughes (1952–2006; 53) Labour politician, MP (1992–2005); died from motor neurone disease Bryan Budd VC (1977–2006; 29) British Army Corporal, recipient of the Victoria Cross; killed in action in Afghanistan Paul Hunter (1978–2006; 27) Snooker player; died from a rare nervous system cancer Alexander Litvinenko (1962–2006; 44) Russian defector; murdered by radiation poisoning Craig Hinton (1964–2006; 42) Writer of Doctor Who spinoffs; died from a heart attack

Turkish singer Onur Sener has died after being attacked during a concert, for singing a song that this "fan" didn't like: https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/offenbar-streit-um-musikwunsch-gaeste-toeten-saenger-a-f70415fe-8f84-4f72-8b80-f8ad373eae2f

Sacheen Littlefeather dead at 75.