Commtech Sio Bibble 2,028 Posted February 8 I've given up caring, thinking about politics (domestic and foreign) makes me angry, so I have simply stopped listening. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny 283 Posted February 8 27 minutes ago, The Old Crem said: Kamala Harris or Michelle Obama? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,582 Posted February 8 Just now, Kenny said: Kamala Harris or Michelle Obama? Kamala Harris is very unpopular and Michelle Obama has no experience but might actually possibly be popular enough to make it competitive but she wouldn’t ruin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny 283 Posted February 8 Just now, The Old Crem said: Kamala Harris is very unpopular and Michelle Obama has no experience but might actually possibly be popular enough to make it competitive but she wouldn’t ruin. So any other ideas to replace Joe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Comped 525 Posted February 8 Just now, Kenny said: So any other ideas to replace Joe? Newsom perhaps? Assuming his handling of the homeless issue in CA (among other things) isn't seen as a major red flag... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slackhurst Broadcasting 374 Posted February 8 58 minutes ago, Windsor said: Most folk would rather have a senile old coot over an angry grandpa. Reminds me of the fable of the frogs who wanted a king. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wannamaker 1,407 Posted February 8 2 minutes ago, Commtech Sio Bibble said: I've given up caring, thinking about politics (domestic and foreign) makes me angry, so I have simply stopped listening. Same, I do like learning about world leaders but that's about it. I get my daily anger with football twitter, so adding politics to that would just be adding more fuel to an early heart attack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny 283 Posted February 8 1 minute ago, Comped said: Newsom perhaps? Assuming his handling of the homeless issue in CA (among other things) isn't seen as a major red flag... Do you honestly think that he could beat Trump in the swing states? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Comped 525 Posted February 8 13 minutes ago, Kenny said: Do you honestly think that he could beat Trump in the swing states? No, but he's the best shot they have at someone with governing experience who actually wants the job, has the experience required, and is mentally competent! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perhaps 1,423 Posted February 8 Christ, the political nuts and the royalist weirdos are really have a field day on here recently. When can we get back to being a forum that, you know, discusses death? I’ve never clicked ‘mark forum as read’ as much as I have this week. 1 1 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Commtech Sio Bibble 2,028 Posted February 8 7 minutes ago, Perhaps said: Christ, the political nuts and the royalist weirdos are really have a field day on here recently. When can we get back to being a forum that, you know, discusses death? I’ve never clicked ‘mark forum as read’ as much as I have this week. At least it's driven attention away from the thread of a certain another former US President. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sod's Law 445 Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Commtech Sio Bibble said: I've given up caring, thinking about politics (domestic and foreign) makes me angry, so I have simply stopped listening. Hopefully our new AI overlords will be here to rescue us all from this insanity very soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prussianblue 1,026 Posted February 8 1 hour ago, TQR said: This really isn't working, is it? Raze it all to the ground and start Americaland from scratch. Can we do the first bit and skip the rest? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sodoffbaldrick 36 Posted February 8 1 hour ago, Perhaps said: Christ, the political nuts and the royalist weirdos are really have a field day on here recently. When can we get back to being a forum that, you know, discusses death? I’ve never clicked ‘mark forum as read’ as much as I have this week. I just keep reading this forum and the one about Trump in the hopes that one or the other or, better yet, both have died. When did Americans stop assassinating their leaders? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
arrowsmith 444 Posted February 9 1 hour ago, sodoffbaldrick said: I just keep reading this forum and the one about Trump in the hopes that one or the other or, better yet, both have died. When did Americans stop assassinating their leaders? March 30, 1981. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Old Crem 3,582 Posted February 9 He has lost it. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gcreptile 10,964 Posted February 9 I was kind of thinking that maybe these words made it into the report -unredacted- so that Biden can refute them in a forceful press conference. And Team Biden moved quickly there. The AP headlines seem to deliver what they were hoping for. At the same time, Biden himself cant quite refute the "appearance" of being old. If it was their strategy, the problem is that Biden IS actually old, and slow. He knows he has to speak fast in this media environment but obviously cant. That's why the misspeaking happens. A president probably has to make fewer do-or-die decisions than movies suggest, but his opponents will probably not let him get comfortable in a "wise old man" role. His team will have be very careful in choosing future appearances. The campaign will force him to. I actually wonder now how german chancellor Adenauer did, being in office in his 80s. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drol 11,921 Posted February 9 Biden is not fit to serve. He is showing signs of dementia and not even that early-stage. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrWonderful 480 Posted February 9 1 hour ago, gcreptile said: I was kind of thinking that maybe these words made it into the report -unredacted- so that Biden can refute them in a forceful press conference. And Team Biden moved quickly there. The AP headlines seem to deliver what they were hoping for. At the same time, Biden himself cant quite refute the "appearance" of being old. If it was their strategy, the problem is that Biden IS actually old, and slow. He knows he has to speak fast in this media environment but obviously cant. That's why the misspeaking happens. A president probably has to make fewer do-or-die decisions than movies suggest, but his opponents will probably not let him get comfortable in a "wise old man" role. His team will have be very careful in choosing future appearances. The campaign will force him to. I actually wonder now how german chancellor Adenauer did, being in office in his 80s. I'm a moderate Democrat, and I will vote for Biden without hesitation (not that it matters, because I live in California) because Trump is not just a truly disgraceful, vile human being, but also a dangerous one. And yes, Biden is old and obviously past his prime. But Trump is the best possible opponent for him, because for the few hundred thousand voters over the few swing states that will decide the election, they essentially will go into the voting booth knowing that Biden's biggest perceived weakness (he's old, senile, etc.) is also something that Trump shares. Trump is barely younger and has also clearly exhibited that he's in obvious cognitive decline. And that's when the fact that Trump is much more hated than Biden is by these particular voters could play in Biden's favor. This has been my theory the whole time. I'm not talking about Trump supporters and most Republicans (and that goes hand in hand now, really); they obviously hate Biden, that's just the way it is. But the difference is that not only do Biden supporters and Democrats hate Trump, but so do independents/swing voters. He has baggage -- more baggage than he did even when he left office -- and these people do not like him. In the early primary contests, it's a poor sign for Trump that he's losing independents badly. Say what you want about Biden, but these particular voters don't hate the guy. The vast majority of them wish that a better alternative were available to them, sure, but they don't hate the man. So yeah, that's my theory. I agree with Nikki Haley that she would defeat Biden easily, and so would any "normal" Republican in this cycle. Haley would draw such an obvious contrast in terms of age for these voters, plus she's not hated by these voters. One worry I do have for Biden, despite my beliefs above, is that perhaps enough on the far left will stay home and not vote for Biden (or vote for Kennedy or something, a la Jill Stein ruining Hillary's chances in 2016), to give Trump just enough to eke out enough all-important swing states. These idiots are pissed at Biden for his handling of the Israel-Hamas conflict...like, what the hell do they think Trump would do, by comparison? It's idiocy of the highest order. 12 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JonNgoat 145 Posted February 9 And the Democrats still want to nominate him? There must be a reason they are happy to keep this guy in power, but I’m not sure what it is. What is he going to be like in four years time? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MortalCaso 1,624 Posted February 9 1 hour ago, JonNgoat said: And the Democrats still want to nominate him? There must be a reason they are happy to keep this guy in power, but I’m not sure what it is. What is he going to be like in four years time? He has a proven track record of beating Trump. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,639 Posted February 9 26 minutes ago, MortalCaso said: He has a proven track record of beating Trump. If that's the only reason how about they ditch Biden and get Stormy Daniels to stand? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bentrovato 1,085 Posted February 9 23 minutes ago, maryportfuncity said: If that's the only reason how about they ditch Biden and get Stormy Daniels to stand? Trump would just stand there, looking at her tits, and shout "fake news" all day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maryportfuncity 10,639 Posted February 9 13 minutes ago, Bentrovato said: Trump would just stand there, looking at her tits, and shout "fake news" all day. A shoo-in for every redneck vote at that moment, then 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
