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I think we have to give the committee praise for continuing to run this game year on year.It is a staple of mine and I'm sure everyone on here's new years eve rituals.I find it almost comforting that whatever year I have had I can always count down the New Year then check the newest deathlist.

My condolences go to Mango at this difficult time.

I'm literally speechless and still processing.

King Jimmy the Great, the Immortal, the Humongous, the Destroyer of guinea worms and mangos (1924-2024) Well, he didn't really give me time to prepare a proper obit!

He was about to join the 2025 list at Number 8...

THE D-A-CH-DEATHLIST 2025 (1/50) 01. (13) Peter Weck, Austrian film director and actor, *12.08.1930 02. (09) Arthur Cohn, Swiss film producer, *04.02.1927 03. (03) Marianne zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Sayn, Austrian photographer and jet set expert, *09.12.1919 04. (re) Julia Dingwort-Nusseck, German president of Landeszentralbank Lower Saxony, *06.10.1921 05. (04) Liselotte Pulver, Swiss actress, *11.10.1929 06. (---) Georg Koch, German football trainer and former goalkeeper, *03.02.1972 07. (23) Käthe Menzel-Jordan, German architect and perservationist, *07.09.1916 08. (re) Josef Fritzl, Austrian offender, *09.04.1935 09. (---) Maria Luisa Grohs, German football player and goal keeper, *13.06.2001 10. (10) Freddy Quinn, Austrian Schlager singer, *27.09.1931 11. (20) Maria Riva, German actress and daughter of Marlene Dietrich, *13.12.1924 12. (---) Horst Janson, German actor, *04.10.1935 13. (07) Ingrid van Bergen, German actress, *15.06.1931 14. (02) Armin Mueller-Stahl, German actor, *17.12.1930 15. (---) Marie Christine Princess of Liechtenstein, Liechtensteiner aristocrat, *02.09.1924 16. (---) Waltraut Haas, Austrian actress and singer, *09.06.1927 17. (15) Mario Adorf, German-Austrian actor, *08.09.1930 18. (re) Ralph Siegel, German record producer and songwriter, “Mr. Grand Prix”, *30.09.1945 19. (05) Rolf Schimpf, German actor, *14.11.1924 20. (---) Rita Süssmuth, German politician (CDU), president of the Bundestag, *17.02.1937 21. (39) Marcel Ophüls, German-French actor and documentary film maker (Oscar winner 1988), *01.11.1927 22. (19) Rosi Gollmann, German philantropist (Andheri Foundation), *09.06.1927 23. (---) Justus Frantz, German pianist, conductor and TV host, *18.05.1944 24. (---) Georg Stefan Troller, Austrian-German writer, screenwriter, director, journalist, *10.12.1921 25. (11) Jürgen Habermas, German philosopher and sociologist, *18.06.1929 26. (---) Jochen Stern, German actor and author, *10.09.1928 27. (22) Margot Friedländer, German Holocaust survivor, author and activist, *05.11.1921 28. (---) Erni Mangold, Austrian actress and director, *26.01.1927 29. (42) Werner Michael Blumenthal, German-American economist and political advisor, *03.01.1926 30. (17) Friedrich Nowottny, German television journalist and broadcast director, *16.05.1929 31. (08) Janosch, German children's book author and illustrator, *11.03.1931 32. (---) Heinz Hoenig, German actor, *24.09.1951 33. (16) Anita Kupsch, German actress, *18.05.1940 34. (---) Jeannine Schiller, Austrian Society and Charity Lady, former model, *21.02.1944 35. (---) Egon Krenz, German politician (SED), last communist leader of the GDR, *19.03.1937 36. (29) Alfred Brendel, Austrian pianist and poet, *05.01.1931 37. (30) Eric Kandel, Austrian-American neuroscientist and psychiatrist, Nobel Prize winner in 2000, *07.11.1929 38. (---) Walter Schultheiß, German actor, author and painter, *25.05.1924 39. (---) Samuel Adler, German-American composer and conductor, *04.03.1929 40. (---) Ingrid Burkhard, Austrian actress, *07.06.1931 41. (---) Eugen Gomringer, Swiss-Bolivian writer and concrete poet, *20.01.1925 42. (---) Hans-Joachim Paschmann, German politician (SPD), Mayor of Duisburg, *25.08.1947 43. (re) Ursula Andress, Swiss actress, *19.03.1936 44. (---) Otto Schenk, Austrian actor and theatre director, *12.06.1930 - 09.01.2025 (94) 45. (37) Sepp Blatter, Swiss football administrator and president of the FIFA, *10.03.1936 46. (---) Antje-Katrin Kühnemann, German physician and TV host, *22.02.1945 47. (---) Lutz Jahoda, German actor, singer and entertainer, *18.06.1927 48. (---) Klaus-Michael Kühne, German billionaire businessman, richest German, *02.06.1937 49. (---) Tony Bauer, German comedian, *28.10.1995 50. (46) Friedrich Georg Beckhaus, German actor and voice actor, *11.12.1927

Dead aged 73. Obituaries: The Sun, BBC, The Guardian, The Telegraph, Daily Mail, The Independent, Daily Mirror, Daily Express

Another New-Year's thread creation ? Not just any thread ! After the success of its first edition, the French Deathlist returns in 2025 with 50 new names who might pass away in the coming year. The 50 selected celebrities are French-speaking figures whose age or health condition seemed to warrant inclusion on our list. 25 of them have been carried over from last year, in line with the rules of the official Deathlist. The fame of the candidates cannot rely solely on their age or health condition. The first edition of our shared Deathlist was a real success, scoring 16 out of a possible 50 points, and we hope to do just as well this year. This list is the result of the common work of @BeretBleu, @etib80, @Fantomasss, @La Tombe, @thadee, @Bestparolanto and I. We will only post here in english and only on news concerning our 50 picks. Others news and discussion about french personalities will take place in the French Speaking Deathlist thread. Every time a hit occurs, we will post it here, cross their name off the list on the front page, and I'll make a quick recap of the deceased.     We hope it'll be successful and that you'll enjoy it   The official list will be unveiled on the eve of the 31st of december or on the morning of the 1st january. Till then…  Bonne chance !

Dead. Edit: BBC

Manmohan Singh dead at 92.

Here's my personal thoughts on what the list should be like. Misses will be inevitable but I think a list like this would atleast reach 14 or something hits: Keep (25) 1. Jimmy Carter (hospice) 2. Pete Murray (frail years ago) 3. Cleo Laine (very frail) 4. Sonny Rollins (very old, terminally ill with pulmonary fibrosis for longer than the expectancy for someone much younger) 5. Imelda Marcos (diabetes, serious heart problems, ministrokes, pneumonia hospitalisation this year) 6. Ted Turner ("late stages" of lewy body dementia for a while now) 7. Roberta Flack (ALS, other ailments) 8. Esther Rantzen (terminal lung cancer) 9. Norman Tebbit (said to be very ailing, heart problems etc.) 10. Tom Brokaw (multiple myeloma for more than a decade, recently in 24/7 care) 11. Gene Hackman (looked death warmed up this year, massive heart problems) 12. Joanne Woodward (perennial dementia sufferer) 13. Stanley Baxter (no public appearances in years, care home, said he has memory loss back around 2020) 14. Nigel Starmer-Smith (bruce willis type dementia, bedbound for years, overdue) 15. Noam Chomsky (paralyzed from a massive stroke) 16. Dennis Skinner (very ill for very long - heart operations, cancer, alleged mild dementia) 17. James Whale (longtime cancer sufferer allegedly now living on experimental meds, give him one last chance) 18. Jean-Marie Le Pen (heart failure, pulmonary oedema, stroke) 19. Willie Nelson (emphysema, other chronic health conditions) 20. Denis Law (mixed dementia for years) 21. Sly Stone (advanced COPD and no news in ages) 22. Linda Nolan (boring perennial cancer sufferer allegedly now living on experimental meds #2. Give her one last chance) 23. Buzz Aldrin (former heavy drinker, a couple of health scares in the past, on oxygen in his latest appearance) 24. Sandy Gall (looked unrecognizable here over three years ago and as far as I know has not made appearances since) 25. Dick Van Dyke (looks healthy but reading between the lines sounds like he's suffering from some severe illness. Anyways, turning 100 with a history of lung collapses, peripheral neuropathy, pneumonia bouts, mild emphysema etc) Drop (20) going down from the worst drop 1. Vanessa Redgrave (emphysema for a long time + heart attack. Stableish for years now but you never know) 2. Hans Blix (TBE, weeks in ICU some years ago, housebound) 3. Clint Eastwood (increasingly frail, some health issues in the past, lost girlfriend recently) 4. Tom Baker (weight loss, health issues but seems to have been doing great for a year or two now) 5. Brigitte Bardot (serious respiratory problems) 6. Daniel Barenboim (does not seem as ill as we thought?) 7. Dick Cheney (enormous heart problems, see this - seems to have outlived all odds and the transplant won't last forever, but too stable now) 8. Alan Greenspan (boring, just very old) 9. Robert Wagner (old, COPD, but doesn't seem ill enough yet) 10. Prunella Scales (perennial dementia sufferer who is taking decades to die) 11. Mel Brooks (very old but seems healthy and active) 12. Josef Fritzl (too stable for my liking) 13. Pope Francis (recurring health problems, but has seemed better this year) 14. Louis Farrakhan (too stable for my liking) 15. Joe Bugner (severe dementia, but young and no reports of great decline) 16. Desmond Morris (seemingly healthy nonagenarian) 17. Patricia Routledge (seemingly healthy nonagenarian and younger than most of the other healthy nonagenarians on the list) 18. Robert Duvall (yet another boringly healthy nonagenarian) 19. Raul Castro (looks, sounds amazing despite previous cancer rumors) 20. Julie Walters (past cancer) Return (5): 1. Yoko Ono (lewy body dementia for ages, other ailments) 2. Liza Minnelli (ailing for a very long time now) 3. David Attenborough (very old, more quiet these days and should stay on the list until his death) 4. Douglas Hurd (very quiet for a long time, stroke in the past and said to suffer from other health problems) 5. Mike Ditka (strokes and heart attacks, has been in 24/7 care recently) Add (20): 1. Michael Tilson Thomas (glioblastoma, has outlived the expectations) 2. Mahathir Mohamad (enormous heart problems, very old, regular hospitalisations) 3. Ruth Buzzi (dementia for ages, strokes) 4. Tippi Hedren (advanced dementia) 5. Sam Nujoma (tons of hospitalisations) 6. Ian Smith (Ian Smith Cancer) 7. Joan Plowright (Very frail/ill for years according to forum members) 8. Eva Marie Saint (very old, forum favourite) 9. Antonia Fraser (last rites almost two years ago, kidney failure and a plethora of ailments) 10. Sophie Kinsella (glioblastoma #2) 11. Peter Yarrow (Longtime cancer sufferer in hospice) 12. Sidney Cooke (how is he still alive?) 13. Tom Lehrer (forum favourite, very frail for years) 14. Geoffrey Boycott (cancer + heart problems, ICU hospitalisation earlier) 15. Jean Marsh (very frail, past health history includes a stroke and a heart attack) 16. Rupert Murdoch (tons of health problems) 17. King Salman of Saudi Arabia (dementia, tons of health problems) 18. David Irving (serious health problems, 24/7 care) 19. Jose Mujica (cancer, kidney problems, vasculitis and other health issues) 20. Michael Bolton (see earlier posts)

Yes, in fact, this is a photo of the care facility she's in.

My theory is that years ago, a mysterious man in a dark alley told the committee never to pick Glynis Johns. When they asked why, they were not given an answer. Yet they obliged year after year, despite incessant calls for the aged British national treasure to be selected. Until one day, they finally caved in to peer-pressure and made her #15 on the DeathList 2024. Within merely 4 days, she was dead. A short-lived high, certainly, but at what cost? Has it unleashed a new dark era of DeathList filled with disappointment and sorrow? Can the curse ever be lifted? Only time will tell...

History's greatest monster's three-year reign of terror is seemingly over - What happens now?

Now, now. He couldn’t help that his brother is a cunt. I always say families of politicians are off limits and I stand by that.

Well it's over an hour into Christmas day UK time now, so I'd like to wish forum users a Merry Christmas and I hope all of you have an excellent day whether you engage in the seasonal festivities or not.

TCM Remembers 2024 c. 30/12/23 Cindy Morgan (69) Actress 30/12/23 Tom Wilkinson (75) Actor 01/01/24 David J. Skal (71) Film historian/critic 04/01/24 Georgina Hale (80) Actress 04/01/24 Glynis Johns (100) Actress 10/01/24 Conrad Palmisano (75) Stuntman/stunt coordinator 11/01/24 April Ferry (91) Costume designer 20/01/24 Norman Jewison (97) Filmmaker 29/01/24 Sandra Milo (90) Actress 30/01/24 Chita Rivera (91) Actress/singer/dancer 01/02/24 Mark Gustafson (64) Animator/director 02/02/24 Don Murray (94) Actor 02/02/24 Carl Weathers (76) Actor/writer 05/02/24 Mickey Gilbert (87) Stuntman/stunt coordinator 06/02/24 Robert M. Young (99) Filmmaker 12/02/24 Alec Mills (91) Cinematographer 19/02/24 Matt Sweeney (75) Special effects artist 27/02/24 Richard Lewis (76) Actor/comedian 29/02/24 David Bordwell (76) Film scholar 09/03/24 Julie Robinson Belafonte (95) Actress 14/03/24 Grant Page (85) Stuntman 14/03/24 Cass Warner (76) Documentary filmmaker 15/03/24 Joe Camp (84) Director/writer 16/03/24 David Seidler (86) Writer 19/03/24 M. Emmet Walsh (88) Actor 29/03/24 Louis Gossett Jr. (87) Actor 31/03/24 Barbara Rush (97) Actress 01/04/24 Joe Flaherty (82) Actor/comedian/writer 10/04/24 Dan Wallin (97) Sound engineer 12/04/24 Eleanor Coppola (87) Filmmaker 16/04/24 Barbara O. Jones (82) Actress c. 20/04/24 Hana Brejchová (77) Actress 20/04/24 Lourdes Portillo (80) Filmmaker 05/05/24 Jeannie Epper (83) Stuntwoman 05/05/24 Bernard Hill (79) Actor 09/05/24 Roger Corman (98) Filmmaker 11/05/24 Susan Backlinie (77) Actress/stuntwoman 12/05/24 Mark Damon (91) Actor/producer 16/05/24 Dabney Coleman (92) Actor 18/05/24 Fred Roos (89) Producer/casting director 19/05/24 Richard Foronjy (86) Actor 21/05/24 Jan A. P. Kaczmarek (71) Composer 22/05/24 Darryl Hickman (92) Actor/writer/television executive 23/05/24 Morgan Spurlock (53) Documentary filmmaker 25/05/24 Albert S. Ruddy (94) Producer/writer 25/05/24 Richard M. Sherman (95) Composer/lyricist 27/05/24 Elizabeth MacRae (88) Actress 31/05/24 Martin Starger (92) Producer 02/06/24 Janis Page (101) Actress/singer 11/06/24 Tony Lo Bianco (87) Actor 18/06/24 Anouk Aimée (92) Actress 18/06/24 Anthea Sylbert (84) Producer/costume designer 20/06/24 Donald Sutherland (88) Actor 23/06/24 Bud S. Smith (88) Editor/producer 25/06/24 Bill Cobbs (90) Actor 27/06/24 Martin Mull (80) Actor/comedian 01/07/24 Robert Towne (89) Writer/director 05/07/24 Jon Landau (63) Producer 11/07/24 Shelley Duvall (75) Actress/producer 13/07/24 Shannen Doherty (53) Actress 13/07/24 James B. Sikking (90) Actor 17/07/24 Cheng Pei-pei (78) Actress 18/07/24 Bob Newhart (94) Actor/comedian 23/07/24 Teresa Gimpera (87) Actress/model 29/07/24 Bobby Banas (90) Actor/dancer 13/08/24 Sergio Donati (91) Writer 14/08/24 Gena Rowlands (94) Actress 16/08/24 Norman Spencer (110) Producer/writer 18/08/24 Alain Delon (88) Actor 21/08/24 John Amos (84) Actor 02/09/24 James Darren (88) Singer/actor 04/09/24 Frank Griffin (95) Makeup artist/actor 06/09/24 Will Jennings (80) Lyricist 09/09/24 James Earl Jones (93) Actor 16/09/24 Barbara Leigh-Hunt (88) Actress 20/09/24 Kathryn Grant (90) Actress/singer 26/09/24 John Ashton (76) Actor 27/09/24 Maggie Smith (89) Actress 28/09/24 Kris Kristofferson (88) Actor/singer/songwriter 30/09/24 Robert Watts (86) Producer 01/10/24 Bob Yerkes (92) Stuntman 07/10/24 Nicholas Pryor (89) Actor 14/10/24 Keizō Murase (89) Suitmaker/sculptor/modeler 17/10/24 Mitzi Gaynor (93) Actress/singer 22/10/24 Lynda Obst (74) Producer 22/10/24 Dick Pope (77) Cinematographer 25/10/24 David Harris (75) Actor 28/10/24 Paul Morrissey (86) Filmmaker 29/10/24 Teri Garr (79) Actress 02/11/24 Jonathan Haze (95) Actor 03/11/24 Quincy Jones (91) Composer/producer 06/11/24 Tony Todd (69) Actor 25/11/24 Earl Holliman (96) Actor 26/11/24 Jim Abrahams (80) Director 27/11/24 Adam Somner (57) Producer/assistant director 29/11/24 Marshall Brickman (85) Writer 17/12/24 Marisa Paredes (78) Actress 97 names included altogether, much higher than normal so it was more inclusive this year. To my surprise, it didn't finish with Dame Maggie Smith, James Earl Jones or Donald Sutherland, but Gena Rowlands.

And there it is! After a near four-week fracas of festive…fongs, we have a winner. Unlike last year, it wasn’t all that close. Unlike last year, it isn’t all that Christmassy. Unlike all previous KoS winners, it’s a double A-side. And unlike all UK Christmas No.1s bar one (well done Wham!), it’s (well, half of it is) a double festive chart-topper. Pair six minutes of progressive insanity with four minutes of melancholic farewell from possibly the greatest showman ever to have graced our ears, and what do you get? A runaway Kill or Save Christmas Champion, Bo Rhap/TATDOOL! In this merry musical mishmash of a final, consisting of chart-toppers, carols, couple more chart-toppers and a surprise (and brief) appearance from last year’s Christmas songs podium sitters, this is how it all stacked up: Queen — Bohemian Rhapsody / These Are The Days Of Our Lives Isaac Watts — Joy To The World Pink Floyd — Another Brick In The Wall Pet Shop Boys — Always On My Mind The Human League — Don’t You Want Me The Beatles — I Feel Fine Wham! — Last Christmas Mykola Leontovych — Carol Of The Bells Charles Wesley — Hark! The Herald Angels Sing John Williams — O Holy Night The Pretenders — 2000 Miles Tom Jones — Green, Green Grass Of Home David Willcocks — God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen Greg Lake — I Believe In Father Christmas The Pogues ft. Kirsty MacColl — Fairytale Of New York Oh and look here, at the twelve shites of Christmas: St Winifred’s School Choir — There’s No One Quite Like Grandma Mr Blobby — Mr Blobby Jimmy Osmond — Long Haired Lover From Liverpool Johnny Mathis — When A Child Is Born Dickie Valentine — Christmas Alphabet Arthur Warrell — We Wish You A Merry Christmas William J Kirkpatrick — Away In A Manger Christina Rossetti — In The Bleak Mid-Winter Frederic Austin — The Twelve Days Of Christmas James Pierpont — One Horse Open Sleigh Rolf Harris — Two Little Boys Military Wives With Gareth Malone — Wherever You Are Sickening. And of course, these results wouldn’t be possible without all your hard work. This is how you all did: KILLS theoldlady - 14 Dead Wait - 12 Drewsky1211 - 11 ladyfiona - 9 Toast - 8 livingbygrace - 6 Great Uncle Bulgaria - 6 Paul Bearer - 6 TQR - 4 Commtech Sio Bibble - 4 Bibliogryphon - 4 justonecornetto - 3 TiredNoise - 3 diego - 2 AstroKat - 2 wannamaker - 2 BuffaloPhil - 1 ASSISTS Drewsky1211 - 12 Commtech Sio Bibble - 10 AstroKat - 9 Dead Wait - 9 BuffaloPhil - 7 Great Uncle Bulgaria - 6 Toast - 5 justonecornetto - 5 Bibliogryphon - 5 TQR - 4 livingbygrace - 4 ladyfiona - 4 theoldlady - 4 wannamaker - 3 Tired Noise - 3 Book - 3 diego - 3 Paul Bearer - 2 Clorox Bleachman - 1 A huge well done to our killer queen @theoldlady (quelle surprise) and assist angel @Drewsky1211, and an even huger thank you to everyone for playing! Whether or not it’s done much for Christmas spirit, it’s been a good laugh. I’ll be back for the Christmas run around the same time next year (and if you have any ideas as to what you might like to see, drop me a line, your idea might feature in the 2025 special!), but in the meantime, you know where to find all our usual Kill or Save action, with our chart master @wannamaker and, exciting times, new host @AstroKat with an all-new player-nomination format. Stick around for both; I certainly will be. Here’s Freddie, Brian, Roger and John to play us out. Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night! I still love you…*snaps fingers*

Risky bet but...Michael Bolton? A few brain tumor communities I am in or have visited have judged he's likely suffering from a more severe brain tumor (well, brain cancer) especially due to the emergency surgery, visible weakness and confusion on stage last year. His O2 show was postponed with a full year around the summer and seems that back in October nearly all his shows, atleast all before July 2025, were postponed indefinitely. There's also this health update his nephew provided in August that feels a bit ominous: “He’s the strongest person I know. I mean, honestly, he is determined. Every day he’s getting better,” Adam told EW. “He communicates so much with his eyes, and the power that’s behind them is just reassuring to everybody that this man is built out of something special.” He later clarified to EW that Michael is still able to speak and sing, and added, “He is well and recovering very well.” (He was also seemingly unable to send a video message) Anyways, he has not given any details to the public about what type of brain tumor he has, god knows when his last appearance anywhere was and from a quick look on his Facebook and Instagram I get a feeling he might not be managing his own social medias anymore. Conclusion: I hope I am wrong and have missed something, but it feels like he is either: 1) terminally ill, family is avoiding media attention and the July 2025 O2 show will again be postponed around March or April if he's alive. 2) Not ill, but not the same as he was before - perhaps a massive benign tumor that fucked something up.

Dead

You're not new here, you should know Thatcher has already weighed up the odds of its authenticity before posting. Do not patronise one of the greats. There are a few tweets saying he's dead. Hoax or not, time will tell.

If it turns out he's actually never left his house in all this time (with lots of hospital equipment keeping his body alive), signs are pointing towards a Terri Schiavo type situation here. I would have guessed before that his condition was very similar to Jimmy's, but at least Jimmy was able to be wheeled into the garden to watch his birthday flyby.