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First up, thanks to Joey for running this for the years I was busy with another popular deadpool. Apparently its the 8th November already, so time to set in motion another Crowdsourced Deathlist. The 2021 version looks set to finish ahead of the official Deathlist (without the use of Roberta McCain). However while it started well, the 2021 list fell to sleep during the Summer months. Will the 2022 edition be able to top our current list? We will see, but for the time being let's go over the rules, shall we? THE RULES Rules 1. Please send a list of celebrities you wish to vote for to msc, during the time period of 8th November to the 31st December 2021. The list must have a minimum of 12 names on it, and a maximum of 50. Yes, this means we are open now, as I'll just forget to officially open it otherwise. For more evidence, note I intended to open this on the same day as the Deathrace thread... Please send them by either PM or the Shadow List thread, not by email, semaphore, Morse code, Deathlist live chat, animated corpses, text messages, or any other means of communication you can think of. And you may only submit via 1 of those two methods above, NOT BOTH METHODS! 2. Your 1st choice will gain 50 points, 2nd 49, etc etc to 50th which will gain 1 point. This is true even if you only send in 12 names, or 13 names, or 49 names. 3. When the deadline passes, all of the points that an individual celebrity gain will be added together, and the top fifty celebrities with the most points overall will go on the Utterly Unofficial Forum List. 4. Feel free to add substitutes at the bottom of the list, which will only be counted if one of your fifty die before January 1st 2022. If for example your number one pick is such a smart one they die before January 1st, then I will give 50 points to your 2nd pick, and so on until 1 point is given to the first substitute. 5. Do try to make the picks as "Deathlisty" as possible. More Jean Claude, less Miguel Van Damme, if you know what I mean. Someone likely to score an obit with one of the major English language news outlets. 6. The deadline for sending in entries is 31st December 2021 at 9 pm GMT. That's 4pm New York Time (31st December) and 8am (1st Jan) Melbourne time to help out non-Brits. This earlier dead line is so there's enough time to complete the list before the new year as well as enjoying some extra time off as well. I am keeping Joey's earlier cut off time for simplicity. 7. This is essentially a forum game without a winner. It does however put the long held notion by some that the combined minds of the forum know better than the Committee to the test. 8. Who picked whom will remain anonymous. Unless the person announces it of course. 9. The paranoid probably shouldn't send in their DDP unique hopefuls. Whilst I do not intend to steal them away, it would make no sense: if the person then showed up on the list, their chances of being unique would be very slim indeed! 9b. If you do wish to send your DDP unique hopefuls, I won't complain! 10. To keep to the Deathlist spirit, only the top 25 ranked celebrites from the current list of Crowdsourced Deathlist 2021 survivors will be used: Bob Dole, Jimmy Carter, Pope Benedict XVI, Leslie Philips, Tom Parker, Mikhail Gorbachev, James Whale, Tom Smith, Glynis Johns, Linda Nolan, Betty White, Henry Kissinger, Bob Barker, Yoko Ono, Joanne Woodward, Shannon Doherty, Clarissa Eden, Olivia Newton-John, Rosalyn Carter, David Gulpilil, Sidney Poitier, Jean Louis Trintignant, Harry Belafonte, George Alagiah, Prunella Scales, Barbara Walters, Monica Vitti, June Spencer, Angela Lansbury, Queen Elizabeth II, Bill Turnbull, Bob Newhart, Eva Marie Saint, Noam Chomsky, Willie Nelson, Imelda Marcos. As usual, this is something for me to worry about, not you. 10a) Our actual collated list will stick to the "25 from the previous year" rule. 10b) As a result, if our top fifty, after all votes have been counted, has more than twenty-five of the 2021 survivors (named for ease in Rule 10), then the lowest ranked excess survivors will be axed from the list in favour of The Fifty-First ranked celebrity and so on... 10c) Since we don't know if that'll be an issue until I actually do the counting, voters don't need to worry about limiting their personal lists to 25 survivors. It'd be nice if they did, but that's life. 11) Please pick living people. Folk do die before 1st January, but there were a few cases of people dead for a number of years chosen last time. Please do not pick animals, or ISIS prisoners, or kids, or any of the usual no go areas. 12) The Deathray Rule. If Deathers is reading this, he is more than welcome to find some way to get his usual 50 points for that bloody weatherman in! Anyhow, enjoy. Or not. "I'm one of the four living men to have appeared on every Crowdsourced list to date, you know!"

Official list goes here Pele 1271 (NEW) Jimmy Carter 1251 (7th, 4th) Frank Field 1212 (NEW) Leslie Philips 1096 (7th, 6th) Gorbachev 1025 (7th, 8th) Pope Benedict XVI 973 (7th, 5th) George Alagiah 944 (4th, 36th) Bob Barker 915 (4th, 18th) Glynis Johns 896 (6th, 14th) Jean Louis Trintignant 832 (4th, 33rd) Sidney Poitier 816 (6th, 32nd) Jerry Lee Lewis 801 (NEW) Henry Kissinger 756 (3rd, 17th) James Whale 726 (2nd, 11th) Linda Nolan 707 (3rd, 15th) Angela Lansbury 671 (2nd, 43rd) Harry Belafonte 663 (2nd, 35th) Queen Elizabeth II 598 (3rd, 44th) Olivia Newton John 594 (4th, 19th) Joanne Woodward 575 (5th, 25th) Shannen Doherty 555 (2nd, 26th) Tony Bennett 548 (NEW) Bill Turnbull 519 (3rd, 45th) Tom Smith 497 (3rd, 13th) Monica Vitti 487 (4th, 40th) Milos Zeman 463 (NEW) Rosalynn Carter 460 (4th, 29th) Yoko Ono 449 (3rd, 20th) James Watson 438 (NEW) Tom Parker 433 (2nd, 7th) Barbara Walters 433 (2nd, 38th) Norman Tebbit 427 (NEW) Francoise Hardy 411 (NEW) June Brown 400 (NEW) James Lovelock 381 (NEW) Bobby Charlton 371 (NEW) Nichelle Nichols 371 (NEW) George Perez 367 (NEW) Dick van Dyke 358 (NEW) Norman Lear 348 (NEW) Jiang Zemin 327 (NEW) Douglas Hurd 324 (NEW) Tom Weiskopf 317 (NEW) Jake the Snake 307 (NEW) Jacques Delors 295 (NEW) Jean Marsh 292 (NEW) David Graham 291 (NEW) Vic Elford 273 (NEW) Susie Steiner 272 (NEW) Gary Burgess 262 (NEW) "I was on all the lists but we've got a feeling I wont be on the 2022 version!"

Bill Mitchell, New Zealand's oldest surviving World War II veteran, has died. He was 108. Mitchell served in the air force's engineering service in the Pacific during the war. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/126922776/bill-mitchell-new-zealands-oldest-wwii-veteran-dies-aged-108

Cecilia Robinson, couple of Test centuries against Australia in the 1950s, dead aged 97:

Legendary Mexican actor Enrique Rocha, one of the great villains of soap operas, died on Sunday at the age of 81. The actor has participated in more than 30 films and plays and has become a foundational figure in the Televisa company where he projected his career over the decades: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16668531/enrique-rocha-dead-mexican-soap-opera/

Mark Valentino was a US one-hit wonder with "Push and Kick" back in 1962, got to 27 on the Billboard charts. Toured with the likes of Jackie Wilson and the Four Seasons but his career never took off further. Turns out he died earlier this year on May 21.

http://www.chess-news.ru/node/28458 Liudmila Belavenets, fourth women's world champion 1984-1992 and FIDE WIM dead at 81 from covid. The second and the third one are still alive, these are the Soviet Union's Lora Yakovleva 1972-1977 (1932-) and Israel's Ljuba Kristol 1978-1984 and 1992-1997 (1944-)

Mahlagha Mallah, "Mother of Iran's Environment" dead at 104: https://www.isna.ir/news/1400081712913/مه-لقا-ملاح-درگذشت

One of my earliest picks on the DDP, journalist Maureen Cleave who had several interviews with the Fabs including the infamous "more popular than Jesus" Lennon quote, dead aged 80 with a Times Obit: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/maureen-cleave-obituary-mn3zn3lph (Paywall). Really sad, RIP. IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2499363/

New Game Make a list of 20 names who could die between 30 November 2021 and 30 November 2022. The one winning is the one with the most hits at the end of the year. Every time a pick of your list dies, you have to choose another one instead and so on till the end of the game in November 2022. You can choose similar celebrities as other participants. The only criteria for their admission is a qualifying obit when they pass : a qualifying obit means an article in English or in French. You can choose whoever you want as long as they're famous enough (which means they have articles about their action available online, wikipedias article about them, acknowledgment in their field…) Extra points : • + 50 points if all your picks have been renewed in a single months • + 20 points if all your original list has been renewed before the end of the year (meaning that all your 20 first picks are dead) • - 20 points if you're finishing the year with only one of your original list standing • + 5 points if you have to renew two picks on the same day • + 10 points if you have to renew three picks on the same day • + 5 points if you have a unique pick • + 10 points if you have a hit on the 1st of December 2021 when the competition begins • - 10 points if you have a hit on the 30th of November 2022 when the competition ends • + 5 points if you have a hit on the 17th of November or on the 25th or 31th of December • - 1 points if you haven't got a hit in a month, -2 in two months and so on… • + 10 if your pick dies the day you choose him/her • - 5 if you pick dies the following day after you had chosen him/her • +5 if your hit is the first of the pool • -5 if your hit is the last of the pool • -5 if your hit occurred before the opening of the pool (1st of December 2021) but was reported dead after the 1st of December 2021 • +5 if your hit occurred before the closing of the pool (30th of novembre 2022) but was reported dead after the 30th of November 2022 • +2 for the first hit of the year (2022) • + 2 if your first pick dies • + 4 if you have 2 first picks dying following each other ; +8 if you have 3 first picks dying following each other and so on till another hit breaks the striking circle • +5 if your last pick is the first to die on your team • -5 if your fist pick is the last to die on your team • +2 for 2 deaths in 2 days, + 4 for 3 deaths in 3 days + 8 for 4 deaths in 4 days and so on… • +10 at the end of the pool for both the one with the most hits and the one with the least hits • +5 for the 50th death of the pool • +10 for the 100th death of the pool Entries are now opened in posting your list in this thread. The competition will begin in the first of December. Every time you have a hit, just quote your previous list with your new pick and please, CROSS the hit so I can now which one is renewed and which one is not. I'll make sure to make a recap every week (or so) of every death and everyone's points. Feel free to tell me if I forget about your hit in your point ranking or anything like that. Hope everything is clear, Good Luck !

Bessie Hendricks, 3rd oldest verified living American turned 114. https://www.messengernews.net/news/local-news/2021/11/114-years-and-counting/

So, the "drug overdose" that took Ila Scheckter - bit more complicated than it sounds. OoO may have the inside track on this but...she developed a brain tumour, had major surgery, developed epilepsy in the aftermath of that and suffered extreme anxiety, which put turbo boosters under her drug use. All round mess with a fair amount of random extreme bad luck. If I recall rightly, Jody Scheckter had taken to attending open meetings of Narcotics Anonymous in a bid to help her.

Clifford Rose a hit for @Bibliogryphon. Congratulations. https://www.stratford-herald.com/news/well-known-actor-and-rsc-veteran-clifford-rose-dies-aged-92-9224521/ next round: 1921 Wanda Półtawska / George Elder 1922 Lucía Hiriart / Ronald Blythe 1923 Pamela Sharples, Baroness Sharples / Bob Barker 1924 Kirsi Kunnas / Leslie Phillips 1925 June Lockhart / Michel Bouquet 1926 Irene Papas / Carl Erskine 1927 Pat Carroll / Harry Belafonte 1928 Nancy Olson / Charles Strouse 1929 Joan Plowright / Don January 1930 Joanne Woodward / Jean-Louis Trintignant

That's what I thought, sure she was older - I just went with Wiki which seems to be wrong, as no access to Times. I think Wiki was amended some point after I picked her which surprised me that she was made out to be younger.

These dates are imaginary.

D.I.M Wallace, 88; author, artist and a leading figure in British birdwatching. (Wiki page)

Spanish artist Carmen Laffon reportedly dead aged 87: https://spainsnews.com/painter-carmen-laffon-dies-at-87/

Maybe it IS Prince Andrew.

American actor Fred MacMurray died on this day 30 years ago, aged 83.

Andrew McDonald, former chair of SCOPE, has died: https://www.scope.org.uk/media/press-releases/andrew-mcdonald-cb/ Suffered from Parkinsons's and cancer - DDP pick, and already one of these cases where you wonder if that backlog broadsheet obit still comes in time to count.

13th oldest according to this. No prizes for 13th place in the egg and spoon race arghton.

https://www.hs.fi/muistot/art-2000008356618.html Linnea Tanttu, one of the oldest people in Finland has died at the age of 106. She had memories of the Independence of Finland in 1917 and the Civil War of 1918, probably if not the last, one of the last living people to have memories of these events. Also remembered the spanish flu pandemic.

Today is also the 131st birthday of Dwight D. Eisenhower. Happy Birthday Ike, wishing you good health!

Pakistan Peoples Party politician Ahmad Mukthar, who served as Defence Minister and then, from 2012 to 2013, he held the office of Minister for Water and Power, died at 74 years: https://www.urdupoint.com/en/amp/pakistan/former-defense-minister-ahmad-mukhtar-passes-1095768.html