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The first celebrity death that I remember was that of Ernest Borgnine, but the one I remember even better was Margaret Thatcher when I was 9 - I was sat in Sainsbury's cafe with my mum, saying something like "she was a great woman" (all i knew about her was that she was the first female prime minister) and my mum said "no, she really wasn't" then said what she'd done. My hatred of the tories started not too long after that

Here's an actual, proper, obit for Tim Woodward.

Joseph Bernard Gildenhorn (wiki) dead at 94. George H. W. Bush era diplomat.

11/17/2023 37 Fatboy Slim — Right Here, Right Now +1 37 Madonna — Ray Of Light 36 Stardust — Music Sounds Better With You 35 Brandy & Monica — The Boy Is Mine 30 Madonna — Beautiful Stranger 26 The Beautiful South — Perfect 10 26 Terrorvision — Tequila 24 Artful Dodger ft. Craig David — Re-Rewind 24 Tin Tin Out ft. Emma Bunton — What I Am 24 DJ Jurgen Presents Alice DeeJay — Better Off Alone 23 Spice Girls — Stop 22 Natalie Imbruglia — Big Mistake 22 Jay-Z — Hard Knock Life 21 Shaft — (Mucho Mambo) Sway 21 Phats & Small — Turn Around 21 Pras Michel ft. Ol' Dirty Bastard & Mya — Ghetto Superstar 20 Blur — Tender +4 20 Backstreet Boys — All I Have To Give 20 Busta Rhymes — Turn It Up / Fire It Up 20 Will Smith — Just The Two Of Us 20 Sash! ft. Tina Cousins — Mysterious Times 20 T-Spoon — Sex On The Beach 20 Brandy ft. Mase — Top Of The World 20 911 — More Than A Woman 20 Another Level ft. Ghostface Killah — I Want You For Myself 20 The Corrs — Runaway 20 Steps — Better Best Forgotten 20 The Offspring — Why Don't You Get A Job? 20 The Wiseguys — Ooh La La 20 Whitney Houston — My Love Is Your Love 20 Steps — Love's Got A Hold Of My Heart 20 Five — If Ya Gettin' Down 20 DJ Jean — The Launch 20 Ann Lee — 2 Times 17 E-17 — Each Time 17 Five — Everybody Get Up 17 Five — Until The Time Is Through 15 Will Smith — Will 2K -1 14 George Michael — Outside 12 Eminem — My Name Is +3 11 Steps — One For Sorrow 11 Bamboo — Bamboogie 11 Puff Daddy ft. Jimmy Page — Come With Me -5 8 S Club 7 — S Club Party

Olympedia have just updated their page for Robert Collins (wiki) to say that he died nearly 12 years ago in January 2012! Whoops.

Doug "the Nostalgia Critic" Walker is 42. ...I remembered his birthday so you don't have to.

Times obit for John "Jelly" Horton, aged 77, saxophonist who was a member of 60s psychedelic pop band The End (wiki). Band supported the Rolling Stones but never made it big, Horton quit, then went on to have a successful career as an advertising guru in the 70s.

Has at least 10 tour dates planned for the early part of 2024

Beginning to think she will see her 65th birthday

Four-time All-Star forward Johnny Green, who spent 15 seasons with six different teams, died at 89 years: https://www.si.com/nba/knicks/news/new-york-knicks-obituary-johnny-green-rebounder-dies-at-89

I recently read about a reunion for the Shadow F1 team employees. Most significant team members were there, but one missing due to 'ill health' was former team boss and Grand Prix driver Alan Rees. Might be worth considering, especially for a theme team. He'll obit With a QO without too many issues.

That report says Spider Stacy, his old Pogues bandmate, has been to visit him now. Spider lives in New Orleans so if he's rushed off to Dublin now, that doesn't sound great news for Shane imo...

IF he makes it, the committee should be bold and put him at no. 1. Jimmy Carter isn't dying anyway

10 point deduction at Everton, plunges them second bottom with four points - livens up the footy news on a dull weekend (unless Malta can Muller England tonight) Unlikely to do owt to the managerial sackings other than give Dyche's legend a little more shine as he overcomes adversity and limitations around him, again. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67448714

Just put the Crème de Pêches to good use in a Cordial Inviter Brandy, crème de pêches, dry vermouth Strong and tasty.

Fri 17 Nov 33 Fatboy Slim — Right Here, Right Now 32 Stardust — Music Sounds Better With You 31 Brandy & Monica — The Boy Is Mine +1 30 Madonna — Beautiful Stranger 30 Madonna — Ray Of Light 27 Artful Dodger ft. Craig David — Re-Rewind +1 24 Tin Tin Out ft. Emma Bunton — What I Am 24 Terrorvision — Tequila 24 DJ Jurgen Presents Alice DeeJay — Better Off Alone +1 22 Jay-Z — Hard Knock Life 22 Blur — Tender 21 Shaft — (Mucho Mambo) Sway +1 21 Phats & Small — Turn Around 21 Pras Michel ft. Ol' Dirty Bastard & Mya — Ghetto Superstar 20 Backstreet Boys — All I Have To Give 20 Natalie Imbruglia — Big Mistake 20 Busta Rhymes — Turn It Up / Fire It Up 20 Will Smith — Just The Two Of Us 20 Sash! ft. Tina Cousins — Mysterious Times 20 Five — Everybody Get Up 20 T-Spoon — Sex On The Beach 20 Brandy ft. Mase — Top Of The World 20 911 — More Than A Woman 20 George Michael — Outside 20 Five — Until The Time Is Through 20 Another Level ft. Ghostface Killah — I Want You For Myself 20 The Corrs — Runaway 20 Steps — Better Best Forgotten 20 The Offspring — Why Don't You Get A Job? 20 The Wiseguys — Ooh La La 20 Whitney Houston — My Love Is Your Love 20 Steps — Love's Got A Hold Of My Heart 20 Five — If Ya Gettin' Down 20 DJ Jean — The Launch 20 Ann Lee — 2 Times 20 Will Smith — Will 2K 20 Spice Girls — Stop 19 The Beautiful South — Perfect 10 -6 17 Eminem — My Name Is 17 E-17 — Each Time 16 Puff Daddy ft. Jimmy Page — Come With Me 14 S Club 7 — S Club Party 14 Steps — One For Sorrow 11 Bamboo — Bamboogie 8 Will Smith ft. Dru Hill & Kool Moe Dee — Wild Wild West 6 R Kelly — If I Could Turn Back The Hands Of Time

MTV comedian Rip Micheals is hospitalised after a heart attack. His remaining heart function is at 17% and he is surrounded by personell of the "heart failure" unit. Not one for very long, I think. https://nypost.com/2023/11/15/entertainment/rip-micheals-of-wild-n-out-hospitalized-due-to-heart-attack/

Nine days ago he wasn't even on oxygen, on Sunday he had a nasal cannula and now it seems he's on some kind of BiPAP or high flow oxygen. Sharp decline in a relatively short time.

One for serious consideration IMO for next year for lower half of the 50

He still has that characteristic deep voice and a brilliant head of hair. Still very recogniseable as the Robert Wagner of old all things considered.

In Prince Philip's case, he said he kind of dreaded turning 100- he definitely did not want to celebrate his 100th birthday- so he got his wish! I bet he died with a smile on his face!

Sorry to see him go, I remember him from Man From Uncle- a great actor and a good long life! RIP

When they were filming Trainer (in which he played a professional gambler), he drove this car. He stopped and gave my friend's mum a lift one day when he saw her plodding along the road (she lived quite a long way out of her village). She had NO idea who he was.

It is almost certainly true that he was involved in some bomb making activities etc. and his wifes proclivities are not in doubt, but I do think you are being a little harsh. People do change over time, and I would not class Mr Mandela as evil.