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Fucking fuming. I've done Whammageddon totally organically this year, not taken any precautions and left it up to chance. I've been in supermarkets, I've heard bits on the radio, I've run the gauntlet of the Christmas megamix on the parkrun boombox for the past 2 weeks and the gods have smiled on me. And how do I lose it on December 16th? Listening to commentary of Rovers match at Southampton on the radio and during the half time analysis it's playing on the PA system in the f-ing stadium!

Sun 17 Dec 32 Greg Lake — I Believe In Father Christmas 28 The Pogues ft. Kirsty MacColl — Fairytale Of New York 27 The Pretenders — 2000 Miles +4 23 Wizzard — I Wish It Could Be Christmas Every Day 22 Brenda Lee — Rockin’ Around The Christmas Tree 20 Andy Williams — It’s The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year 15 Kate Bush — December Will Be Magic Again 14 Bobby Helms — Jingle Bell Rock -1 11 The Ronettes — Sleigh Ride 08 Wham! — Last Christmas 00 Bing Crosby — White Christmas -5

For anyone who didn't watch Strictly final. Olly Alexander is going to represent UK in Eurovision next year.

Hello Everyone, here we are again. Time for a new round, are you up for it? Do you think we can ever surpass the score record of 1838 by DevonDeathTrip in the Death By Numbers of 2016? Well, I guess it's time you try! The general rules: Send me 50 main team names by pm or just post them in this thread, if you want, from now on until Dec 31st 2023, 23:59 GMT. You can choose one joker who gives you double points. Submission form: Just give them in the normal "First name", "Last name" format Please don't number them, don't give any added data, like birthdays. And only note their claim to fame if there might be confusion, for example: Simon Cowell (plastic surgery victim) Simon Cowell (wildlife conservator) The scoring is [year of birth] - 1900 = score. So someone born in 2001 will get 101 points in case of death You may submit the following people: living, not knowing their precise date of death (by execution, dignitas, or whatever), at least 18 years old on January 1st, 2023, and being somewhat notable. "Somewhat notable" means: they should at least be notable for something else aside from being terminally ill. "Something else" being something that has an effect on society. Terminally ill activists are okay if they've done at least something generally beneficial, a nationwide campaign, a more than just self-published book, or a notable court case. If they're only in the news because of their tragedy or because they need our sympathy I will not accept them. So no "cancer mums with cancer kids", no "terminally ill fans", no "ordinary person in a coma because of a car crash". This also counts for brothers/sisters/children of notable people - unless they are so notable that every relative is also notable by default, like the House of Windsor, or maybe the Bush family. Unfortunately, it is me who will decide if the person is famous enough. Previous BBC coverage will usually convince me. Also, please, no football player in a non-professional league, who is totally obiting only because of tragedy, and not because the club just so happens to also have a wikipedia page - or any other name that kind of exploits the rules, like Dave Marsh. Anybody that gets rejected in the DDP would also be rejected here! Sometimes maybe after the game even starts. However: "Oldest Person of XYZ" will always be allowed - even a completely irrelevant person (in the grand scheme of things) will be accepted if they are the oldest person of their country, or last survivor of World War II, Korean War, etc... Usually those people do not give many points, but maybe 5 pts is better than zero? Often, they are also of a certain "historic relevance", you know President Tyler's grandson, and such. Anyway, I will allow them. You can submit up to 10 substitutes. It was a little stressful for me to ask for substitutions in case of disqualifications. So, if you think that some of your names stretch the fame definition, just put in some more subs. I will make use of them automatically. Once you have submitted your team, it's the final submission. Substitution phase: Up until the beginning of the 1st of July 2024 GMT you may switch 5 old people still alive for 5 new ones for whom all the above rules also apply. You can make use of the 5 substitutions whenever you like, until July starts. But once you decide to switch out picks, they cannot score anymore. And the new names cant score before 1st of July, so ideally you'd want to keep that window as small as possible, but we know that life sometimes gets in the way. When is a hit a hit: If the person permanently dies in 2024 (GMT!) and their death gets noticed in written form by qualifying media outlets within 2024 or the first seven days of 2025. The QO rules are: Everything accepted by the Derby Dead Pool 2024 plus The New York Times. Your host: I will also submit a team and will do so below before Christmas and hide the names with "XXXXX XXXXX" and reveal them on January 1st. Main reason for not already submitting right now is that I want to avoid the situation of 2019, when I ran out of subs and then filled the gaps with "new" names. I will also make use of the substitution window, but only use 2 names. After all, there's always a pretty broad consensus of a couple of names (example 2019: Ivan Milat, Michael Sleggs, Tom Long), so I wouldn't steal anyone's names by picking those who are universally known anyway. Also, I will substitute comfortably before the end of the deadline, so you can see my two names. I will not read your submission emails until January 1st (I think you can check that) to prevent the impression that I might take a name from your posts for other deadpools. So if I'm unsure about a name of yours, I will talk to you in the first week of January. If you post your team right in this thread, you save me some work but also give away names. If you pm me, please make sure that I know what the mail is about in the header "Death By Numbers", "Team submission" or something like that. If you have other questions, you can also ask in this thread! Players: gcreptile Baby Blue Lady Fiona Caleb H The Immortal ThereWillBeDeaths7 Yorkshire Banker Diego DeathBecomesThem Imelda The Unknown Man Hell The old lady John Key Charles De Gaulle TQR arghton Cpt. Hemlock Bibliogryphon Great Uncle Bulgaria Thatcher Death Impends Gooseberry Crumble Young Willz Liz Lemon RadGuy Book The Old Crem Predictor msc Etushipushingupdaisies Toast Sod's Law Torva Messor The Daredevil Mr. Wonderful MariNisia chileanway Salmon Mousse Banana Perhaps Cpt. Chorizo An Fear Beag wannamaker Buffalo Phil Sean Funeralopolis Wormfarmer Pedro67 tracy Summer in Transilvania Annami

Where the fuck has 2022 2023 gone to? Apparently it's the 1st November 5th November already, so time to set in motion another Crowdsourced Deathlist. The 2022 3 version looks set to finish ahead level with the official Deathlist (though they lacked the help of Gary Burgess actually all the 2023 TCD picks were vaguely sensible). Hey, no one is ever going to know that was copy and pasted from last years thread. Job done. 2023's list saw a number of familiar faces exit, pursued by a bear, from George Alagiah to Rolf Harris, Topol to the Unabomber. So let's see how the class of 2024 do. Will the 2024 edition be able to top our current list? We will see, but for the time being let's go over the rules, shall we? THE RULES Rules 1. Please send a list of celebrities you wish to vote for to msc, during the time period of 5th November to the 31st December 2023. The list must have a minimum of 12 names on it, and a maximum of 50. Yes, this means we are open now, as I'll just forget to officially open it otherwise. This has happened on multiple occasions... Please send them by either PM or via Shadow List thread, not by email, semaphore, Morse code, Deathlist live chat, animated corpses, text messages, or any other means of communication you can think of. And you may only submit via 1 of those two methods above, NOT BOTH METHODS! 2. Your 1st choice will gain 50 points, 2nd 49, etc etc to 50th which will gain 1 point. This is true even if you only send in 12 names, or 13 names, or 49 names. 3. When the deadline passes, all of the points that an individual celebrity gain will be added together, and the top fifty celebrities with the most points overall will go on the Utterly Unofficial Forum List. 4. Feel free to add substitutes at the bottom of the list, which will only be counted if one of your fifty die before January 1st 2024. If for example your number one pick is such a smart one they die before January 1st, then I will give 50 points to your 2nd pick, and so on until 1 point is given to the first substitute. 4b) Anyone who wishes to avoid a Pope Benny the Fuckwit Meltdown and just says "oh put my subs in at the number of the person who died" gets 10 post likes from diego. 5. Do try to make the picks as "Deathlisty" as possible. More Buffy Sainte-Marie, less Chickadee, if you know what I mean. Someone likely to score an obit with one of the major English language news outlets. 6. The deadline for sending in entries is 31st December 2023 at 9 pm GMT. That's 4pm New York Time (31st December) and 8am (1st Jan) Melbourne time to help out non-Brits. This earlier deadline is so there's enough time to complete the list before the new year as well as enjoying some extra time off as well. I am keeping Joey's earlier cut off time for simplicity because did you see what that bloody ex-Pope did? Chaos everywhere. 7. This is essentially a forum game without a winner. It does however put the long held notion by some that the combined minds of the forum know better than the Committee to the test. 8. Who picked whom will remain anonymous. Unless the person announces it of course. 9. The paranoid probably shouldn't send in their DDP unique hopefuls. Whilst I do not intend to steal them away, it would make no sense: if the person then showed up on the list, their chances of being unique would be very slim indeed! 9b. If you do wish to send your DDP unique hopefuls, I won't complain! 10. To keep to the Deathlist spirit, only the top 25 ranked celebrities from the current list of Crowdsourced Deathlist 2023 survivors will be used: Jimmy Carter, Henry Kissinger, Joanne Woodward, Glynis Johns, Roberta Flack, James Whale, Frank Field, Rosalynn Carter, Jonnie Irwin, Linda Nolan, Eva Marie Saint, June Spencer, Dick van Dyke, Ruth Buzzi, Nigel Starmer Smith, Andy Taylor, Mel Brooks, Yoko Ono, Sandra Day O'Connor, Jean Marie le Pen, Rob Burrow, Shannen Doherty, Norman Tebbit, Jacques Delors, David Attenborough, Noam Chomsky, Marianne Faithfull, Sonny Rollins, Stanley Baxter, Randy Jackson, Norman Lear, James Earl Jones, Francoise Hardy, James Watson, Vera Miles, the Duke of Kent and David Graham. As usual, this is something for me to worry about, not you. ie: 10a) Our actual collated list will stick to the "25 from the previous year" rule. 10b) As a result, if our top fifty, after all votes have been counted, has more than twenty-five of the 2023 survivors (named for ease in Rule 10), then the lowest ranked excess survivors will be axed from the list in favour of The Fifty-First ranked celebrity and so on... 10c) Since we don't know if that'll be an issue until I actually do the counting, voters don't need to worry about limiting their personal lists to 25 survivors. It'd be nice if they did, but that's life. 11) Please pick living people. Folk do die before 1st January, but there were a few cases of people dead for a number of years chosen last time. Please do not pick animals, or ISIS prisoners, or kids, or any of the usual no go areas. 12) The Deathray Rule. If Deathers is reading this, he is more than welcome to find some way to get his usual 50 points for that bloody weatherman in! If that bloody weatherman doesn't get his formerly traditional 50 from a mystery person (ie, not you, TQR) then this rule will be retired in 12 months time. Anyhow, enjoy. Or not. Will Esther still be telling us That's Life in 2024?

Sun 17 Dec  40 Percy Faith — Theme From ‘A Summer Place’ 37 The Drifters — Save The Last Dance For Me 37 Jimmy Dean — Big Bad John 29 The Allisons — Are You Sure -6 28 John Leyton — Wild Wind 24 Ricky Nelson — Hello Mary Lou / Travellin’ Man +4 21 Duane Eddy & The Rebels — Because They’re Young 18 Bobby Darin — Lazy River  16 Billy Fury — Jealousy 10 Duane Eddy & The Rebels — Pepe

Mod preview is a bastard, innit?

American sculptor Richard Hunt, who is internationally renowned for his public sculptures, died at 88 years: https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/renowned-chicago-sculptor-richard-hunt-dies-at-88/3305005/ He won the Lifetime Achievement Award from the International Sculpture Center.

Lead singer of a band popular with young people, m'lord. Also toured Europe and had chart success elsewhere on the continent which is unusual for a 20th century UK Eurovision pick.

I would urge people to vote for Bernadette Chirac and get on her on the crowdsourced DeathList.

Bullshit theory.You can't fake the steroid use the frequent documented hospitalisations with photo evidence plus on his podcast he goes into levels of detail you simply couldn't fabricate.Plus James lost his first wife to cancer and his wife lost her first husband to cancer and talks in vivid detail how traumatic that was for herself and her young daughter making me near damn certain its not a scam.In his podcast he has also called out the media for taking his statements out of context.For example last year he said he was told last year he may have twelve months or less to live but broadsheets went with "James Whale in his final months".

Emir Sheikh Nawaf al-Ahmed al-Jaber al-Sabah of Kuwait is a hit for me in this pool. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/16/kuwait-leader-sheikh-nawaf-al-ahmad-al-sabah-dies-aged-86

An interesting collection, interesting in that your side of The Pond listened to different songs than the left side. The ones at the top (presently) should all be there. The others I don’t even know without listening to them, and I’m an old fuck. Pepe? A Voice in the Wilderness? Get ta fekk. 16/12/23 8:26am 37 Jimmy Dean — Big Bad John  37 Percy Faith — Theme From ‘A Summer Place’ 32 Ricky Nelson — Hello Mary Lou / Travellin’ Man +3 31 The Drifters — Save The Last Dance For Me +1 27 The Allisons — Are You Sure 25 John Leyton — Wild Wind 21 Duane Eddy & The Rebels — Because They’re Young 18 Bobby Darin — Lazy River 16 Billy Fury — Jealousy 12 Duane Eddy & The Rebels — Pepe 10 Johnny Preston — Cradle Of Love 08 Cliff Richard & The Shadows — A Voice In The Wilderness -6

Emir Nawaf of Kuwait has died aged 86. Obituaries: BBC, Metro, Daily Mail, Guardian

Previous post: Following post: 20 + 1 = 21 Corrected list (with my points): 16/Dec/2023 38 Jimmy Dean — Big Bad John 33 Percy Faith — Theme From ‘A Summer Place’ -3 32 The Drifters — Save The Last Dance For Me 28 John Leyton — Wild Wind 26 The Allisons — Are You Sure 22 Ricky Nelson — Hello Mary Lou / Travellin’ Man +2 21 Duane Eddy & The Rebels — Because They’re Young 18 Cliff Richard & The Shadows — A Voice In The Wilderness 17 Johnny Preston — Cradle Of Love 16 Bobby Darin — Lazy River +2 16 Duane Eddy & The Rebels — Pepe 15 Billy Fury — Jealousy 12 Elvis Presley — A Mess Of Blues 00 Adam Faith — Someone Else’s Baby -3

Various high strength Christmas themed guest beers in a local pub - can't remember their names, and can't be bothered to head back to the bar to find out. Incidentally one of my former DDP joker picks in in here too. Still very much alive, but he has crashed out of the Isle Of Man TT twice, so it's only by luck that he's still here at all!

I considered her a couple of years ago. It seems she was a couple of years older than her Wiki suggested.

We're talking about the nickname of some old dude. Bit strong?

Actress Anne Orwin (IMDb) most well known for playing Lou Gallagher on Byker Grove reported dead on October 8th.

As I heard Seth Shostak - sometime head of SETI -say recently, it'll be very hard to wipe out a species. If two people are alive in 2030 we still have Mankind, just a lot less than we once had. I think we'll pollute and over-populate ourselves into an existential crisis, mainly to do with the climate, but survive it into the 22nd Century.

Dr. Benjamin Paolucci, a long-time physician with the Detroit Pistons NBA team, has died. He was 84. He retired from Detroit in 2015 after more than 40 years with the club. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31212310/benjamin-paolucci-former-detroit-pistons-physician-dies-age-84

Charles Schulz was less animated after this day 20 years ago, aged 77.

René Descartes stopped thinking on this day 370 years ago, aged 53.

No more places to go for Jim Varney after this day 20 years ago, aged 50.

On this day 18 years ago in 2002 Princess Margaret, younger sister of Queen Elizabeth the second, died aged 71.